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           2            TASK FORCE ON COMMUNITY SCHOOL DISTRICT 

           3                       GOVERNANCE REFORM

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           5                                

           6               Task Force on Community School District 

           7         Governance Reform Developing recommendations 

           8        regarding the powers and duties of the New York 

           9                 City community school boards 

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          13       

          14                        Evening Session

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          16                       6 Metrotech Center

          17                       Brooklyn, New York

          18                                

          19                        January 16, 2003

          20                         6:15 P.M.    

          21                    

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           2       M E M B E R S:

           3       

           4             HONORABLE STEVEN SANDERS, Co-Chair

           5             TERRI THOMSON, Co-Chair

           6             HONORABLE AUDREY PHEFFER

           7             YANGHEE HAHN

           8             RENEE C. HILL

           9             KATHRYN WYLDE

          10             ROBIN BROWN

          11             ERNEST CLAYTON

          12             HONORABLE PETER RIVERA

          13             GERALD LEVIN

          14             JANE ARCE-BELLO

          15             VIRGINIA KEE

          16             JACK FRIEDMAN

          17             CASSANDRA MULLEN

          18             C. BUNNY REDDINGTON

          19             ROSE McKENNA

          20             ROBERT DeLEON

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          22       

          23       

          24       

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           2                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    Good evening, 

           3             everyone.  We're grateful that you're here.  

           4             We'll need your silence, if not attention, 

           5             because it does get very noisy up here.  

           6             Conversations that are even whispered in the 

           7             back resonate up front, and it's distracting 

           8             for the members, as well as for the 

           9             witnesses.

          10                    This is our fifth and final public 

          11             hearing of the task force on community 

          12             school district governance reform.  We have 

          13             had hearings in all of the boroughs of the 

          14             city.  We have organized the hearings into 

          15             two sections.  We have hearings that begin  

          16             -- today's earlier hearing began at 9:00 in 

          17             the morning, lasted until about 5:00, and as 

          18             we have done in all the other boroughs, we 

          19             have had an evening session that begins at 

          20             about 6:00 and runs until later in the 

          21             evening.  We do that because we recognize 

          22             that there are many people, working men and 

          23             women who cannot attend during the day, and 

          24             we wanted to make these hearings as 

          25             accessible as possible for as  many people 


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           2             as possible. 

           3                    My name is Steve Sanders.  I'm the 

           4             Co-Chair of this task force.  To my left, 

           5             who you will hear from in just a moment, is 

           6             Terri Thomson, who is the other Co-Chair.  

           7             This task force was created when the state 

           8             made some dramatic changes last June in the 

           9             way the New York City school district is 

          10             governed. 

          11                    As many of you know, there were many 

          12             powers and authority that were given to the 

          13             Mayor and the Chancellor in that 

          14             legislation.  And as many of you also know, 

          15             that legislation also abolishes the local 

          16             community school boards as of June 30 of 

          17             this year, the end of this school year.    

          18             However, the legislation passed in June did 

          19             not abolish community representation.  Quite 

          20             the contrary. 

          21                    That legislation requires that there 

          22             be community representation.  That 

          23             legislation established this task force of 

          24             20 persons from New York City.  10 appointed 

          25             by the Speaker of the Assembly, 10 appointed 


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           2             by the Senate Majority Leader, and it has 

           3             been our task and our mission to hold 

           4             hearings around the city, and we are 

           5             required to make a proposal, to make 

           6             recommendations for however community 

           7             representation and parental input can be put 

           8             together and hopefully made better than it 

           9             has existed for the last 30 years. 

          10                    The law required us, this task force, 

          11             to issue a report with recommendations to 

          12             the state legislature and to the Governor on 

          13             February the 15th outlining those proposals 

          14             that we think are most appropriate. 

          15                    We are informed, of course, by the 

          16             people of the City of New York as to what 

          17             the views are about community representation 

          18             and parental input, and we will rely heavily 

          19             on the input that we are receiving from 

          20             hundreds of persons from the City of New 

          21             York to guide us as to what it is that we 

          22             will recommend to the legislature and to the 

          23             Governor. 

          24                    Now I know that people have a lot to 

          25             say.  This is a big subject.  Because the 


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           2             turn out is extraordinary, we have to limit 

           3             people, as we indicated in our hearing 

           4             notice, for those of you who saw the hearing 

           5             notice, we have to limit testimony to five 

           6             minutes.  We do that not in trying to cut 

           7             anyone off, but to try to make available 

           8             these hearings to as many people, so that we 

           9             can hear from as many and hopefully 

          10             everybody who has come to testify. 

          11                    We will be hear until 11:59 and 59 

          12             seconds if there are people who still wish 

          13             to testify.  We have been able to get 

          14             permission to continue to use this 

          15             auditorium right up until midnight tonight.  

          16             So we're going to try very hard to 

          17             accommodate everybody and listen to 

          18             everybody. 

          19                    So let me turn to the Co-Chair of 

          20             this task force for some brief remarks, and 

          21             then the members of the task force will also 

          22             briefly introduce themselves to you, and 

          23             then we shall begin.

          24                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Briefly.  I'm 

          25             Terri Thomson, Co-Chair of the task force 


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           2             and a former member of the Board of 

           3             Education, and I'm from Queens County.  I 

           4             just wanted to also mention that you all 

           5             probably have a copy of the agenda and 

           6             there's an order of speakers.  However, this 

           7             was presented yesterday.  There is a 

           8             possibility that there might be some 

           9             changes.  Please understand, we're using 

          10             good judgement where we make changes.  For 

          11             example, we're expecting some students 

          12             tonight.  We don't want the students to be 

          13             here until midnight, so we may take them out 

          14             of order so that they can get home and do 

          15             their homework and get to bed early for 

          16             school. 

          17                    So please understand, if we go a 

          18             little bit out of order, there's a rhyme and 

          19             reason why we're doing it.  Why don't we 

          20             begin at the far right and ask each of the 

          21             task forces members to introduce themselves.

          22                    MR. CLAYTON:    Thank you.  My name 

          23             is Ernest Clayton, president of the United 

          24             Parents Association of New York City, the 

          25             United Parents Association is the Federation 


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           2             of Parent Associations throughout the city.  

           3             We're 82 years old.  We sit on various 

           4             boards up in Albany, New York City, and we 

           5             represent parents.  Thank you very much.

           6                    MS. WYLDE:   I'm Kathy Wylde.  I'm 

           7             president of the New York City Partnership, 

           8             which is a city-wide business leadership 

           9             organization, and I'm also a resident of 

          10             Brooklyn.

          11                    MS. BROWN:    Robin Brown, 

          12             Chancellor's Parent Advisory Council.  It's 

          13             the representation of the 40 districts here 

          14             in New York City, and I'm also a parent of 

          15             two children which attend school right here 

          16             in community school district 13.

          17                    MR. LEVIN:    I'm Jerry Levin, 

          18             retired CEO of AOL Time Warner, and a member 

          19             of a family committed to public education in 

          20             New York City having provided several 

          21             teachers to the system.

          22                    MS. ARCE-BELLO:   Jane Arce-Bello, a 

          23             community activist from the Bronx.

          24                    MS. KEE:    I am Virginia Kee.  I'm 

          25             the founding member of the Chinese American 


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           2             Planning Council.  I have been a junior high 

           3             school teacher for 34 years.

           4                    MR. FRIEDMAN:    Good evening.  My 

           5             name is Jack Friedman, former member of 

           6             community school board 26 in northeast 

           7             Queens.  And my most important job is a 

           8             father of two children who attend New York 

           9             City public high schools.

          10                    MS. REDDINGTON:    Good evening.  

          11             Bunny Reddington.  Currently serving as vice 

          12             chair of community board 31 in Staten 

          13             Island.

          14                    MS. MCKENNA:   Rose McKenna, former 

          15             member of community school board 10 in the 

          16             Bronx and a teacher and a supervisor for 35 

          17             years.

          18                    MS. HAHN:    Yanghee Hahn, currently 

          19             serving as the executive vice president of 

          20             Korean American Association of Flushing and 

          21             I have access to various Asian Immigrant 

          22             communities.

          23                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Thank you.  I 

          24             want to acknowledge that Assemblyman Jim 

          25             Brennan is here.  Assemblyman, please stand.  


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           2             Thank you for joining us tonight.  Our first 

           3             speaker is Jitu Weusi, Chairman, City-wide 

           4             Coalition for Quality Education.  Jitu, 

           5             please sit at the microphone.

           6                    MR. WEUSI:    Good evening.  My name 

           7             is Jitu Weusi, and I'm an employee of the 

           8             New York City Board of Education, Department 

           9             of Education now, and I've been an employee 

          10             with the Department of Education since 1962 

          11             when I began my career as a teacher shortly 

          12             after leaving college. 

          13                    And I took some time off during the 

          14             middle years from approximately about 1970 

          15             to 1985, and then again I returned to the 

          16             Department in 1985, and I've been an 

          17             employee there since that time. 

          18                    I'm currently employed as an 

          19             assistant principal, and my statement is in 

          20             tribute to two people that have shaped my 

          21             life that are no longer with us.  One is my 

          22             mom, Mardesta Inez Stewart Mealing, who 

          23             raised her seven children with the concept 

          24             that if you get a good education, that you 

          25             can do anything that you want in this world, 


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           2             and because of her persistence, I was able 

           3             to navigate the educational waters of the 

           4             public school system in New York City 

           5             successfully, graduating after 12 and a half 

           6             years, you know, with an academic diploma 

           7             and going on to a four year college. 

           8                    Also, these remarks are in tribute to 

           9             the contribution of the Reverend Milton A.  

          10             Glammason, who was a religious and spiritual 

          11             leader in our community, Bedford Stuyvesant, 

          12             and who more than any individual person I 

          13             feel was responsible for making meaningful 

          14             changes in the public school system of this 

          15             city and of this nation in the last let's 

          16             say 40 years or so, okay. 

          17                    To the task force on school 

          18             governance, I want to say that I participate 

          19             in this gathering with not much confidence 

          20             and with a hesitancy toward any positive 

          21             outcome of this process.  I think many of 

          22             you have advocated by your actions and by 

          23             the legislation that was mentioned before, 

          24             which gave control of the system to the 

          25             Mayor, that you've already made a commitment 


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           2             to a system that didn't work previously, 

           3             okay.  And therefore, I can't expect that 

           4             much is going to change from your previous 

           5             decisions, especially until such time as you 

           6             know there's a greater outcry from the 

           7             victims of this educational change. 

           8                    I offer into evidence to you, to your 

           9             committee, that if you have not as of yet, 

          10             that you get a copy of and that you read 

          11             Clarence Taylor's book entitled Knocking At 

          12             Our Own Door.  This is a book that documents 

          13             what occurred in the public school system in 

          14             the 1950s and 1960s that caused the struggle 

          15             for change in New York City, okay.  That 

          16             caused the communities to attack a 

          17             discriminating and segregated school system, 

          18             and that brought about the legislation of 

          19             1969 that brought some level of 

          20             decentralization to the school system. 

          21                    This book gives you a good insight 

          22             into the people and the personalities of 

          23             those times, the organizations, the 

          24             organizations of parents and how parents -- 

          25             this mobilization of parents began in the 


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           2             late '40s, post World War II, and how it 

           3             developed through the '60s, and the role of 

           4             the civil rights movement as a pivotal 

           5             movement in bringing about the mobilization 

           6             of parents within the school system. 

           7                    Also, it spells out some of the 

           8             strategies and tactics of those movements, 

           9             including school boycotts and other types of 

          10             public demonstrations that were a reaction 

          11             to the lethargy and the complete dismissal 

          12             of community voices in terms of this system. 

          13                    This system was replete with a very 

          14             open stream of racism.  It was a system in 

          15             which -- I'm talking about the 1960s now -- 

          16             approximately 40 percent of the students 

          17             were of African decent.  Yet, only one 

          18             percent of the administrators were of 

          19             African background. 

          20                    When I was a young teacher in this 

          21             system of over 1,000 schools, there were 

          22             only four African Americans that had reached 

          23             the position of supervisor as either 

          24             assistant principal or principal in these 

          25             school systems.  Not only was the hiring, 


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           2             you know, representative of the attitude of 

           3             the system, but also the curriculum was 

           4             representative, and as I was reading 

           5             recently where there is this proposal to 

           6             centralize the curriculum in the schools 

           7             once again, all I can envision is returning 

           8             to the centralized curriculum that, you 

           9             know, completely omits any mention of the 

          10             contribution of African Americans to the 

          11             American system, to the American history, to 

          12             the American story, as was the case in the 

          13             1960s. 

          14                    So I'm very, very concerned about 

          15             what is going to take place here.  And when 

          16             I say "here," I mean in the newly created 

          17             Department of Education.  The period of so 

          18             called decentralization was a period in 

          19             which I feel was basically a white wash, 

          20             okay, under the destructive conditions 

          21             created by the New York City media, and I 

          22             feel that the communities never got a 

          23             meaningful chance to participate in the 

          24             development of real control over the school 

          25             system. 


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           2                    And yet still, they still received 

           3             the blame for the institutional failure that 

           4             went down within the school system.  And so 

           5             here it is now 2003, and we return to 

           6             centralization.  And the communities that I 

           7             represent are, again, on the outside looking 

           8             in, okay.  They're on the outside of the 

           9             educational bureaucracy looking in. 

          10                    So in conclusion, I feel that by the 

          11             action of the state legislature around the 

          12             issue of governance, it really leaves our 

          13             communities with no, you know, with no other 

          14             choice than to galvanize a grass roots 

          15             political movement around the issue of 

          16             control of the schools in our community once 

          17             again. 

          18                    So I guess you can say we have 

          19             endured a 33 year hiatus, but as of 2003, 

          20             September 2003 for sure, we are back in 

          21             business once again.  Thank you very much.

          22                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Thank you.

          23                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    Thank you for 

          24             your testimony, sir.  We appreciate it.

          25                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Vilda Simone, 


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           2             United Parents Association.  Not here?    

           3             Okay.  Norm Fruchter, director of NYU 

           4             Institute for Education and Social Policy.  

           5             Good evening, Norm.

           6                    MR. FRUCHTER:    Thank you.  I'm 

           7             Norm Fruchter, the director of the Institute 

           8             for Education and Social Policy at New York 

           9             University, and for 10 years as a school 

          10             board member in this district, district 15 

          11             in Brooklyn, and I could talk to you a lot 

          12             about support for the nature of the 

          13             arguments that Jitu was making about the 

          14             ways that school boards, in my view, were 

          15             set up to fail, but that's not why I'm here 

          16             tonight. 

          17                    Fernando Ferrer from the Drum Major 

          18             Institute talked about this paper earlier.  

          19             We're tandem, and I suspect since I read his 

          20             testimony, that he talks about the paper the 

          21             way he talked about it in the process of 

          22             developing it, which is from the 

          23             relationship end, and I want to talk to you 

          24             very briefly about accountability rather 

          25             than the stress that he puts on 


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           2             relationships. 

           3                    The view that we take in the paper is 

           4             that a variety of governance experiments 

           5             have essentially failed the New York City 

           6             school system and that whatever you do to 

           7             replace the community school boards, or to 

           8             continue them, what you ought to think about 

           9             is accountability rather than governance. 

          10                    We think that the basic kinds of 

          11             accountability relationships which ought to 

          12             exist in this system.  Example, the basic 

          13             relationship at the classroom level needs to 

          14             be a relationship between parents and 

          15             teachers about the nature of each child's 

          16             achievement in the classroom.  That needs to 

          17             be an extended discussion about how the 

          18             teacher sees the child, what this child's 

          19             strengths are, what the child's weaknesses 

          20             are, particularly around an academic 

          21             curriculum.  And the teacher also needs to 

          22             hear how the parent sees the child and both 

          23             of them need to talk about what they need to 

          24             do in order to improve that child's 

          25             performance. 


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           2                    You cannot do that in a five minute 

           3             parent/teacher conference.  You cannot do 

           4             that in a 10 or 15 minute parent/teacher 

           5             conference, but that is arguably the most 

           6             important discussion that parents and 

           7             teachers need to have.  It is a critical 

           8             accountability discussion, and it is a 

           9             critical improvement discussion from the 

          10             point of view of the child. 

          11                    We need to restructure the nature of 

          12             the relationship between parents and 

          13             teachers at the school level, in order that 

          14             those discussions take place, because they 

          15             will make more contribution to the 

          16             improvement of the child's achievement in 

          17             school and out of school than most other 

          18             relationships you can imagine. 

          19                    Secondly, the same kinds of 

          20             accountability relationships need to go on 

          21             at the school level.  Principals, from our 

          22             point of view, need to make a state of the 

          23             school report twice a year to parents and to 

          24             the other constituencies in the community.  

          25             Community organizations, constituency 


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           2             organizations, faith organizations, 

           3             community development corporations and other 

           4             groups in each neighborhood who are 

           5             critically involved in the success of the 

           6             school, because of not only that it 

           7             contributes to the life and the growth of 

           8             individual children, but also what it 

           9             contributes to the neighborhood prosperity 

          10             and economic development, and poor schools 

          11             don't contribute to either of those. 

          12                    So there need to be accountability 

          13             dialogues.  Principals need to give a state 

          14             of the school report.  We think that school 

          15             leadership teams should become responsible 

          16             for evaluating the performance of the 

          17             principal, and that evaluation should be 

          18             discussed in the same kind of open public 

          19             forum at the end of the school year, before 

          20             it gets reported to the next levels upward 

          21             of governance. 

          22                    We think that the same kinds of 

          23             accountability dialogue should take place at 

          24             the district level.  That is, 

          25             superintendents should actually give state 


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           2             of the district reports.  There should be 

           3             some kind of public discussion of the 

           4             superintendent's evaluation, and that 

           5             discussion should be in a public forum in 

           6             which not only parents, but also 

           7             representatives of the key community 

           8             organizations should be in attendance. 

           9                    Now according to the Chancellor's new 

          10             plan, there may not be districts.  There 

          11             will be, if his plan goes into effect, 

          12             networks of schools, some 10 to 15 schools, 

          13             under the direction of an instructional 

          14             supervisor.  The same kinds of 

          15             accountability forums should be held at that 

          16             level.  If there are indeed regional 

          17             superintendents, if the Chancellor's plan 

          18             goes through, you need to have 

          19             accountability dialogue at that level as 

          20             well.  And the teeth that they have, should 

          21             be involved in evaluation of those 

          22             positions.

          23                    If we have instructional supervisors, 

          24             they should be evaluated  and those 

          25             evaluations should be discussed publicly.  


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           2             The same with the regional superintendents, 

           3             if that comes to pass.  We also think that 

           4             the requirement for changing the nature of 

           5             accountability relationships should be built 

           6             into the evaluation of each level.  Teachers 

           7             should be evaluated on the nature of their 

           8             relationships built with parents by the 

           9             principal. 

          10                    Principals should be evaluated, as 

          11             the Chancellor has indicated in the  -- or 

          12             the Mayor  -- as the Chancellor presumably 

          13             and the Mayor have agreed should become 

          14             policy, and was related in the Mayor's 

          15             speech yesterday, the recommendation was 

          16             that principals be evaluated on the basis of 

          17             their relationships with parents and on the 

          18             success of what they manage to do in terms 

          19             of parent involvement. 

          20                    We think that teachers should also be 

          21             involved that way.  If there are going to be 

          22             instructional supervisors, that should be 

          23             part of their evaluation, and it should be 

          24             part of the evaluation of the regional 

          25             superintendents. 


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           2                    What we've argued in this paper is 

           3             that the kinds of accountability 

           4             relationships which good suburban districts 

           5             take for granted between parents, 

           6             communities and their schools, do not exist 

           7             in most schools in New York City, do not 

           8             exist in most districts in New York City.  

           9             That's in part because we have focused on 

          10             governance rather than on accountability.  

          11             It is possible to restore those 

          12             accountability relationships, in spite of 

          13             the fact that in most communities in New 

          14             York City there is not much trust between 

          15             communities and schools and parents and 

          16             schools.  That trust is critical to good 

          17             schools, and it can only be built up by the 

          18             nature of trying to develop the kinds of 

          19             accountability that we recommend here.  

          20             Thank you very much and I wish you good 

          21             luck.

          22                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Thank you.

          23                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    I just want to 

          24             mention, which I meant to mention when 

          25             Mr. Weusi testified, and this is equally 


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           2             true of you, Mr. Fruchter, that we all  

           3             appreciate and understand and acknowledge 

           4             the contributions and the thinking that you 

           5             have provided to New York City for public 

           6             education, and I meant to say that for you, 

           7             sir, before you left, and it equally is true 

           8             of you, Mr. Fruchter.  Thank you both very 

           9             much.

          10                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Thank you.  

          11             Cheri Rotondi, president of President's 

          12             Council, district 21.

          13                    MS. ROTONDI:    Good evening.  My 

          14             name is Cheri Rotondi, and I am the 

          15             president of President's Council, community 

          16             school district 21.  I come here tonight to 

          17             represent the parents of our school 

          18             district.  We implore this panel on 

          19             community school district governance reform 

          20             to stop Mayor Bloomberg and Chancellor Klein 

          21             from eliminating parents as partners in 

          22             their children's education. 

          23                    We strongly believe that we need a 

          24             representative body elected within our 

          25             community compromised of parents and 


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           2             community residents.  Community governance 

           3             works well in district 21.  We are now the 

           4             number one school district in the Borough of 

           5             Brooklyn in reading and in math. 

           6                    In the early 1980s, the district 

           7             ranked number 13 in the city.  Through the 

           8             efforts of the entire school community, 

           9             including the community school board 

          10             parents, the community superintendent, 

          11             teachers, students and the support team, the 

          12             district made great strides in reaching 

          13             educational excellence. 

          14                    Instead of eliminating the current 

          15             system, why not look at us as a model for 

          16             New York City?  Chancellor Klein, in his 

          17             rush to reform the system, hasn't done his 

          18             homework.  We in district 21 have been 

          19             furious when we hear the Chancellor say that 

          20             parents send their children to schools, not 

          21             to school districts.  If he had taken the 

          22             time to check, he would have found out that 

          23             more than 2,600 parents from outside the 

          24             district have made applications to any, and 

          25             I repeat, any middle school in district 21. 


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           2                    We must be doing something right.  In 

           3             the past 30 years, the central board has 

           4             controlled only one part of the school 

           5             system, the high schools.  Look at what a 

           6             job they've done there.  One of the most 

           7             important reasons for our success has been 

           8             the access parents have had to the community 

           9             superintendent and the community school 

          10             board in district 21.  I have been trying to 

          11             speak to Chancellor Klein for over a month 

          12             with no success.  I must correct that.  I 

          13             did have success in speaking to one of his 

          14             members that have called me back finally and 

          15             I received no answer that was satisfactory. 

          16                    Like any other bureaucracy, the low 

          17             man on the totem pole is cut out, and 

          18             unfortunately, it seems to this 

          19             administration, that parents are the low man 

          20             on the totem pole.  We demand a voice in our 

          21             public education system.  We do not want our 

          22             participation limited only to the narrow 

          23             issued decided within school buildings by 

          24             the school leadership teams. 

          25                    Do not rob the citizens of New York 


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           2             City to their right to effective 

           3             representation.  It is our right and we 

           4             expect you, the task force on community 

           5             school district governance reform, to help 

           6             protect that right, and may I also add, that 

           7             the comment that was made by Mayor Bloomberg 

           8             last night as the district office has 

           9             dinosaurs in there, it's a shame that he's 

          10             hiring all corporate people that do not know 

          11             a thing about public education. 

          12                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Thank you.

          13                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    We thank you 

          14             very much for that testimony.

          15                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Anne 

          16             MacKinnon, a member and parent of community 

          17             school board 22.

          18                    MS. MACKINNON:    Good evening.

          19                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Good evening.

          20                    MS. MACKINNON:    I'm a parent of a 

          21             New York City high school student attending 

          22             school at Edward R. Murrow, an elected 

          23             school board for the last 10 years in 

          24             district 22, and actually a former member of 

          25             a school leadership team also. 


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           2                    I'm here tonight to make only one 

           3             point, the legislature's decision in 1996 to 

           4             establish school leadership teams in New 

           5             York City and around the state was a wise 

           6             one, but one that has not yet reached its 

           7             potential.  The legislature has an 

           8             opportunity now as it considers whether and 

           9             how to replace community school boards, to 

          10             establish a system that would strengthen 

          11             school leadership teams in many ways 

          12             throughout the city. 

          13                    School leadership teams work well 

          14             overall in my district.  In our schools, 

          15             parents, teachers, principals and other 

          16             school staff cooperate to design the annual 

          17             Comprehensive Education Plan, write the 

          18             budget and solve problems throughout the 

          19             year.  When problems arise or cuts need to 

          20             be made, the team members work together to 

          21             analyze the situation and take action.  They 

          22             study test scores and other data and figure 

          23             out how to respond. 

          24                    Make no mistake, the principal is 

          25             still the leader of the school.  But rather 


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           2             than making decisions alone, without input 

           3             from parents and teachers, and rather than 

           4             trying to implement those decisions alone, 

           5             without cooperation or buy in from staff and 

           6             parents, the principal, in general, has the 

           7             support of the people whose participation 

           8             makes all the difference in whether or not 

           9             the plan actually succeeds. 

          10                    When a principal leaves, which they 

          11             tend to do, the team is there to promote 

          12             coherence, and see the school through the 

          13             transition to new leadership.  It's not easy 

          14             to be on a school leadership team, whether 

          15             you are a parent, a teacher or a principal.  

          16             It takes time.  It takes patience.  

          17             Maturity.  Training.  Balance.  A 

          18             willingness to put your own issues aside and 

          19             do listen to other people. 

          20                    People who are able to do those 

          21             things are few and far between.  They're not 

          22             enough of them in the city, and that's 

          23             partly because there are a lot of people who 

          24             could be good school leadership team members 

          25             who do not have enough opportunities to 


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           2             watch good teams at work.  Who do not have 

           3             role models to look to as they think through 

           4             whether or not they'd like to be team 

           5             members, or if they are team members, on 

           6             people whose behavior would be a model for 

           7             them on how to represent their constituency 

           8             and engage in a responsible way. 

           9                    Many schools in districts don't even 

          10             have functioning school leadership teams in 

          11             lots of places, and where they do exist, 

          12             they don't observe open meeting laws.  

          13             District leadership teams are not in place 

          14             in every district, and they don't meet in 

          15             public.  Community school boards do meet in 

          16             public, but as you know, they no longer or 

          17             only rarely discuss the hard day-to-day 

          18             issues of running schools or districts.

          19                    The elements of good practice are 

          20             just not out there for people to see and 

          21             learn from.  I believe the legislature 

          22             should take this opportunity to establish 

          23             advisory boards at whatever level real 

          24             decisions are going to be made under the 

          25             plan that the Chancellor and the Mayor are 


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           2             now putting together.  That's the level from 

           3             which schools and principals are supervised 

           4             in the re-design system. 

           5                    These boards should include 

           6             representatives from the same constituencies 

           7             that make up school leadership teams and 

           8             should be selected by those constituencies.  

           9             I also think one of the areas where a lot of 

          10             school leadership teams ar weak, and this is 

          11             in my written statement, is involvement in 

          12             community organizations and community 

          13             members, and that could be part of a 

          14             district level or a district equivalent 

          15             level team. 

          16                    Those teams should meet regularly and 

          17             in public to provide a forum for public 

          18             discussion of important matters and ensure 

          19             that people can see their representatives in 

          20             action.  So once you  -- if you're a 

          21             parent's association, if you're a teacher's 

          22             UFT chapter and you want to see your 

          23             representatives in action, you should be 

          24             able to do that, and you should in fact be 

          25             able to model your behavior on your own 


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           2             school team, on what you see them do at the 

           3             district level. 

           4                    The administrators in charge of those 

           5             units should be evaluated in part on their 

           6             ability to work well with those teams and 

           7             lead those teams effectively.  They should 

           8             be required for holding principals 

           9             responsible, for making their school 

          10             leadership teams work well, and in other 

          11             words, real collaboration to make sure the 

          12             reforms being proposed by the Mayor and the 

          13             Chancellor should -- and making them succeed 

          14             in every school, should be a big part of 

          15             everyone's job and new teams should be 

          16             established to help make that a reality. 

          17                    I therefore urge the task force to 

          18             recommend that the state legislature take 

          19             three steps, affirm its support for a 

          20             continuing role and stronger role for school 

          21             leadership teams, study the Department of 

          22             Education's re-design plan to determine at 

          23             what level or levels advisory boards should 

          24             be created to support coherent reform, 

          25             collaborative participatory reform across 


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           2             the city, and replace community school 

           3             boards with advisory boards that are closely 

           4             aligned with school leadership teams and 

           5             whose operation are visible and accessible 

           6             to the school constituencies and the general 

           7             public.  Thank you very much.

           8                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    Thank you, 

           9             Ms. Mackinnon.  We are indebted to you.  I 

          10             know you've done a lot of work in the past 

          11             year in trying to come up with models for 

          12             school representation, community 

          13             representation.  We appreciate your 

          14             testimony.  Thank you.

          15                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    We have a 

          16             panel from President's Council of district 

          17             21.  Stacey Fasone, Deb Leone, Kris Pelaez, 

          18             Fern Rossi, Cesaria Soccia.  I may have 

          19             butchered your names.  And if I did, I'm so 

          20             sorry.  You can correct it when you come up.    

          21             Good evening.

          22                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    If you would 

          23             just pause for a moment so we can distribute 

          24             your testimony.

          25                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Okay.


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           2                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    Okay, you can go 

           3             in whatever order you all decide.  Just 

           4             identify who is speaking so the stenographer 

           5             and we will know who we are speaking with. 

           6                    MS. FASONE:    Good evening.  My name 

           7             is Stacey Fasone.  As a parent of two 

           8             children attending public school in district 

           9             21, I am extremely upset about what seems to 

          10             be the future of parent and community 

          11             involvement in the city school system. 

          12                    The new governance plan calls for the 

          13             elimination of community school boards as of 

          14             June 30.  However, legislation was passed 

          15             with little consultation with parents and 

          16             with absolutely no forethought of what is 

          17             going to replace our community 

          18             representatives.  I find it highly insulting 

          19             that every other school district outside the 

          20             school city limits has an elected school 

          21             board.  What we in New York City are being 

          22             told is that we do not have the same rights 

          23             as every other voter in the state.  This is 

          24             a violation of our civil rights. 

          25                    All educational research indicates 


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           2             that parent involvement is a key to 

           3             successful schools.  What will be the role 

           4             of parents and community leaders in this new 

           5             system?  Already, we see that the Mayor and 

           6             the Chancellor are making decisions, such as 

           7             the firing and moving of principals 

           8             unilaterally.  This undermines the C30 

           9             process, where we parents devote hours of 

          10             our time to choose a principal who we feel 

          11             best will serve the needs of our particular 

          12             school. 

          13                    Every school is unique and we need to 

          14             choose and keep the principal we have 

          15             selected.  There are many rumors about what 

          16             will replace community school boards.  One 

          17             rumor is that school leadership teams will 

          18             be the replacement.  This is not a 

          19             satisfactory solution because of time 

          20             factors.  Only a very small group of parents 

          21             are able to serve on these teams.  These 

          22             teams do not include community-based 

          23             organizations that currently have input with 

          24             the community school boards.  Parents 

          25             deserve to have the same rights as every 


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           2             other citizen in New York State. 

           3                    We must have an elected 

           4             representative body.  We must have a system 

           5             of checks and balances against the one man 

           6             rule of our children's education.  Please do 

           7             not disenfranchise the parents of New York 

           8             City.  Thank you for your time and effort.

           9                    MS. ROSSI:   Good evening.  My name 

          10             is Fern Rossi, and I am a parent of two 

          11             children who attend district 21 schools.  I 

          12             am also an active parent volunteer, a member 

          13             of my daughter's school leadership team and 

          14             an executive officer of the parent's 

          15             association at both my children's schools. 

          16                    I have come here tonight because I, 

          17             like many other parents in this room 

          18             tonight, as well as those at home, am quite 

          19             concerned about the many numerous and 

          20             concurrent changes we have been reading 

          21             about, mainly the disbandment of our 

          22             district office and community school board. 

          23                    District 21 has been successful, 

          24             because parents and schools have always 

          25             shared cohesiveness due to the commitment of 


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           2             the members of our district office and 

           3             community school board.  This alliance that 

           4             district 21 has always shared, has provided 

           5             us with a community based communication 

           6             center, easily accessible to parents and 

           7             community members alike.  This alliance has 

           8             enabled our children to be the recipients of 

           9             an optimal educational environment and 

          10             attain educational achievements.  This 

          11             alliance has also served to instill upon our 

          12             children the importance of community ties 

          13             and involvement within which their 

          14             characters  may be built upon so that they 

          15             too may become active committed members of 

          16             our society as they blossom into adulthood.

          17                    We, the parents, of district 21 have 

          18             always relied upon our district office and 

          19             community school board to be our eyes and 

          20             ears where our children and community was 

          21             concerned, as well as a local community base 

          22             where we could be heard whenever it was 

          23             necessary for the betterment of our 

          24             children. 

          25                    We, the parents, of district 21 feel 


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           2             it is of utmost importance that our 

           3             community school board and district office 

           4             continue, as they are a vital part of the 

           5             success our children have attained.  They 

           6             hear our voices and enable us to be heard.  

           7             Thank you.

           8                    MS. SOCCIA:    Hi.  I'm Cesaria 

           9             Soccia.  I'm a parent of three children, two 

          10             who already graduated from New York City 

          11             public school and one presently attending in 

          12             district 21. 

          13                    I am a parent activist in community 

          14             school district 21.  Not only do I 

          15             participate in my child's school, but I'm 

          16             also active on a district level.  I attend 

          17             local community school board meetings 

          18             because they're both informative and 

          19             important for my children's education. 

          20                    I still cannot believe that state 

          21             legislators who come from cities across New 

          22             York State, voted to eliminate elected 

          23             school boards in their own home towns.  Are 

          24             their parents smarter or more caring than we 

          25             are?  In a city the size of New York City, 


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           2             it is imperative that parents have acces to 

           3             educational leaders, who can supply them 

           4             with information, advocate for their 

           5             children, and represent the community's best 

           6             interests.  Can you imagine the chaos at the 

           7             Tweed Courthouse on the opening days of 

           8             school in September when the parents of 

           9             approximately 8,000 youngsters seek 

          10             variances for their children to attend a 

          11             different school?

          12                    Every district is inundated with 

          13             hundreds of parents seeking the best 

          14             possible education for their children.  Is 

          15             it realistic to believe that parents can be 

          16             better served by a big central bureaucracy 

          17             than a local community school district? 

          18                    We need to maintain a local board or 

          19             panel at a community level where parents can 

          20             have input in educational policies that 

          21             effect their children.  In addition, we want 

          22             our superintendent in our school district, 

          23             not at the Tweed Courthouse in Manhattan.  

          24             We need local governance.  Thank you.

          25                    MS. PELAEZ:    My name is Kris 


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           2             Pelaez, and I'm one member of the Presidium 

           3             of the Parents' Association at one of the 

           4             most prestigious public schools in our city, 

           5             Mark Twain, intermediate school 239. 

           6                    When my oldest child, now 13, entered 

           7             the public school system 10 years ago, I was 

           8             an older parent.  I knew no one, either 

           9             working in the schools or for that matter 

          10             attending public school.  I had been a 

          11             business owner and had no idea how education 

          12             really worked.  What I did know was that I 

          13             wanted the best for my child. 

          14                    I immediately became involved to 

          15             volunteering to help at PTA events and 

          16             fund-raisers.  And, of course, being an 

          17             educational partner by reading to and 

          18             conversing with my daughter at home.  We 

          19             enjoyed, and still do, the arts, nature, 

          20             reading and traveling.  Very slowly I 

          21             learned about the lack of funds provided to 

          22             our schools and about shortages of books and 

          23             paper throughout the system in our city. 

          24                    Very quickly I learned that it would 

          25             be difficult for a child to really learn 


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           2             without parents or caregivers help.  It has 

           3             always been my philosophy that to help my 

           4             own child, it would be necessary to help all 

           5             children, since the children in her school 

           6             and community would be people she dealt with 

           7             on a daily basis. 

           8                    I joined as many volunteer groups and 

           9             committees as I could.  As time passed, I 

          10             have been involved voluntarily in two school 

          11             leadership teams, as well as the district 

          12             school leadership team steering committee, 

          13             in district parents workshop committees and 

          14             every group trying to get and keep parents 

          15             involved. 

          16                    Today, in a time and place where 

          17             people need to have two parents working, 

          18             where many grandparents and other caregivers  

          19             take control of children's educational and 

          20             social lives, it is more important than ever 

          21             for these guardians to have a say in the 

          22             governance of their charges' schools. 

          23                    I am fortunate to have had my two 

          24             children educated in a high-performing 

          25             district in the city.  We are not without 


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           2             problems.  We have a diverse population as 

           3             well.  It is increasingly difficult to reach 

           4             the parents of all of the students, but we 

           5             cannot stop trying.  We have been able 

           6             within our own busy schedules to attend 

           7             meetings to find out what is happening in 

           8             our community, as well as in our schools.  

           9             These community school board meetings have 

          10             been helpful to us all.  The elimination of 

          11             the school boards, while an effort to 

          12             eliminate more bureaucracy and trim fat in a 

          13             system that certainly needs to perform 

          14             better, is a blow to children and parents 

          15             alike who see our districts as a microcosm 

          16             of society at large. 

          17                    We have community support groups that 

          18             provide services to our students after 

          19             school.  These services would be eliminated 

          20             as well.  We have the feel now of being a 

          21             small community in a city where people don't 

          22             even know their next door neighbor's names.  

          23             We, the greatest city in the world, the city 

          24             others aspire to be, are being doubly 

          25             penalized in this move.  We already are 


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           2             penalized in a funding system that gives 

           3             more money per student to our upstate 

           4             neighbors.  We now will be treated unfairly 

           5             by doing away with the school boards which 

           6             communities upstate are allowed to keep. 

           7                    While I certainly feel  -- while I 

           8             certainly feel instruction is the most 

           9             important issue and the Mayor's new plan in 

          10             some ways will be beneficial, it would not 

          11             be in the best interest of our children to 

          12             form these larger regions and leave the 

          13             parents' voices out in the cold.  We need to 

          14             have a place to go.  We need an advisory 

          15             committee nearby, within easy reach, for 

          16             parents' issues to be addressed.  Instead of 

          17             bureaucracy dwindling, it can only grow. 

          18                    We realize full well that as a 

          19             corporate leader, the bottom line is what 

          20             counts.  We sorely need financial remedies, 

          21             but our superintendents and supervisors, in 

          22             many cases quite talented, are being 

          23             penalized by scores that reflect other 

          24             circumstances not readily seen in your 

          25             statistics.  For instance, a poor school 


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           2             report card may not show that that school 

           3             has a higher special education population.  

           4             The administrator appears to be doing a poor 

           5             job, when in reality, a system of assessing 

           6             the special education students, with tests 

           7             geared for the population at large, is 

           8             flawed. 

           9                    Multiple learning styles are not 

          10             addressed.  Assessment remains standardized 

          11             testing.  Our fear is that in enlarging the 

          12             districts or regions, these problems too 

          13             will grow.  We really need to address the 

          14             way children learn and have more free reign 

          15             in instructional style, if not content. 

          16                    For instance, science shows that 

          17             smaller class size is a recipe for success.  

          18             Empty seats in a school are being counted 

          19             with a view toward shipping children from 

          20             too far away into them.  Laws require a 

          21             school with a universal pre-K program to 

          22             have a parent room.  This room is being 

          23             looked at for seats. 

          24                    The clean sweep that the Mayor is 

          25             attempting to make will have repercussions 


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           2             in other areas.  All aspects must be looked 

           3             at before brandishing a wide sword.  The 

           4             dinosaurs and bureaucrats in our district 

           5             offices are the people who have helped us 

           6             and our children all along.  We need to keep 

           7             this place to go.  And it needs to be 

           8             nearby. 

           9                    Where will the parochial schools and 

          10             parents at parochial schools be involved in 

          11             this new system?  Parent involvement has 

          12             always been the most important part that the 

          13             new regulations are talking about, yet 

          14             parents were not really addressed in making 

          15             this decision.  With these vast regions -- 

          16             this is not in the text -- in these vast 

          17             regions, I understand that our 

          18             high-performing district would be joined 

          19             with district I think it's 31 in Staten 

          20             Island.  Would these meetings for parents be 

          21             then taking place at a distance over a 

          22             bridge?  Parents are working.  They need to 

          23             get to a place within 10 minutes and sit and 

          24             talk to the people that matter.

          25                    MS. LEONE:    Good evening.  My name 


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           2             is Deb Leone.  I'm the parent of a child in 

           3             district 21.  And I guess I'm also a 

           4             bureaucratic dinosaur, because I do work at 

           5             the district office.  District 21 has 

           6             experienced great success in the past 

           7             several years.  The reason being, there has 

           8             been a collaboration among superintendent, 

           9             community school board, administration, 

          10             pedagogues and patients.  Issues of all 

          11             kinds are brought forth, discussed, 

          12             resolved, because at district 21, we always 

          13             work together. 

          14                    Our parents have a forum for 

          15             expressing concerns, as well as for awarding 

          16             accolades.  We elected school board members 

          17             who we knew would listen to our parents and 

          18             represent us with strength and integrity.  

          19             We need these elected members to represent 

          20             us.  We do not want these members appointed 

          21             by a regional leader.  We must remain as a 

          22             district, a place readily accessible to all 

          23             constituents.  We must remain as a 

          24             manageable area where parents can rely on 

          25             representation by members who share a common 


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           2             interest, our children.  Thank you.

           3                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Thank you very 

           4             much for your testimony.  I just wanted to 

           5             say, I want to let you know that this 

           6             morning Chancellor Klein testified, and what 

           7             he said to us is, you know, yesterday the 

           8             Mayor announced the parent engagement forums 

           9             in every district, and we asked him to 

          10             define district, and the definition of 

          11             district is district as we know it today.  

          12             So what the Chancellor and Mayor are 

          13             suggesting is that there be parent 

          14             engagement councils at every district, for 

          15             example, there would be one at district 21, 

          16             100 percent parents is what they're 

          17             suggesting.  I would ask that the parents of 

          18             district 21 get together in the next couple 

          19             of days.  Just think this through and 

          20             perhaps give us some written feedback.  

          21             Thank you for your testimony.

          22                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    Before you 

          23             leave, the only other thing I wanted to add 

          24             was this, first of all, your testimony was 

          25             very compelling, and we were listening very 


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           2             carefully, especially given the fact that 

           3             district 21 has been a very high-performing 

           4             district by almost any standard of 

           5             measurement.  The only thing I wanted to 

           6             mention to you, just for the sake of 

           7             accuracy, because I know it resinated with a 

           8             lot of people, and I just felt that for 

           9             factual accuracy, it just needs to be 

          10             stated. 

          11                    There are five school districts in 

          12             the state, New York City is one of them, 

          13             that are called dependent school districts.  

          14             A dependent school district is a district 

          15             that relies on its funding from the city 

          16             government or the government that is part of 

          17             that district.  Those five districts are the 

          18             large city school districts, New York City, 

          19             Syracuse, Rochester, Buffalo and Yonkers. 

          20                    So what distinguishes those 

          21             districts -- these are all cities with over 

          22             125,000 people  -- is that the residents 

          23             don't vote on their school budgets directly.  

          24             As I say, the money comes from the 

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           2             will be spent on education, health, fire, 

           3             all of the other services.  Given that fact 

           4             that they are dependent school districts, 

           5             most of those districts I mentioned that are 

           6             in that category do not vote on their school 

           7             board members, Buffalo, Syracuse, Rochester 

           8             and Yonkers. 

           9                    For the most part, those school board 

          10             members are all selected or appointed 

          11             through some mechanism, which doesn't 

          12             diminish the point you made.  I'm not trying 

          13             to do that.  I just wanted to make the point 

          14             that it is not actually a fact that every 

          15             other school district elects their school 

          16             board members.  45 percent of the students 

          17             around the state are actually in these five 

          18             school districts. 

          19                    Doesn't mean to say that we won't 

          20             agree with you that we ought to continue to 

          21             have elections, but the dependent school 

          22             districts have always been different in that 

          23             regard.  We want to thank you very much for 

          24             your testimony.

          25                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    One more 


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           2             thing.  The Chancellor this morning also 

           3             said that the parent members on this parent 

           4             engagement council would be chosen by 

           5             parents in the district, okay.  We have 

           6             three panels of young people.  We'll begin 

           7             with Sheryl Robertson is listed as director. 

           8             Kenny Igelu and Tia Ijelu, Joaquil Harden 

           9             and Nelson Williamson from the South 

          10             Brooklyn Youth Consortium. 

          11                    MS. ROBERTSON:   Good evening.  My 

          12             name is Sheryl D. Robertson, and I am the 

          13             director of the South Brooklyn Youth 

          14             Consortium, as well as the South Brooklyn 

          15             Community Development Corporation.  It took 

          16             the Coney Island community 26 years to elect 

          17             representation to community school board 21.  

          18             With the election of Mr. Ronald Stewart, we 

          19             gained a voice.  But it was not enough for 

          20             us to gain a voice.  We wanted a working 

          21             voice.  We wanted a partnership with 

          22             community school board district 21, and I am 

          23             proud to say that after five years, we have 

          24             achieved that partnership.  Working together 

          25             at the local level with children, we have 


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           2             co-hosted recruitment drives to improve 

           3             minority hiring, co-sponsored education 

           4             forums, parent education workshops, parent 

           5             organizing workshops, sponsored five NCCC 

           6             Americorp teams comprised of over 90 members    

           7             that provided day-to-day on site assistance 

           8             in two local schools, PS 288 and PS 329.  

           9             Collaboratively, our young people have 

          10             supported their local schools by involving 

          11             themselves in peer tutorial efforts and 

          12             collaboratively with the district, we have 

          13             co-hosted test prep seminars at our offices 

          14             and on Saturdays and weekends when most 

          15             schools are closed, for students grades 

          16             three, four and five.  And Mr. Stewart, our 

          17             school board member, who is African American 

          18             and from our community, has personally 

          19             assisted over 1,000 students and parents in 

          20             personally navigating the bureaucracy and 

          21             educational system. 

          22                    Working together, we were able to 

          23             elevate education as a priority in our 

          24             community, stabilize our school 

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           2             and most of all, improve student outcomes.  

           3             In fact, in 1997, PS 288 had the most 

           4             improved reading scores in the City of New 

           5             York. 

           6                    We have always supported school 

           7             reform, such as school leadership teams.  

           8             But only if those reforms were logical, 

           9             coherent and included all stakeholders.  We 

          10             affirmatively believe that the eradication 

          11             of community school boards is a violation of 

          12             the Voting Rights Act.  Abolishment will 

          13             disenfranchise parents who are primarily 

          14             black and Latino, and it will further 

          15             disenfranchise Immigrant parents.  It is 

          16             unconscionable that a two tiered system of 

          17             education is evolving, and how can we, in 

          18             good conscious, tolerate a system, whether 

          19             it is by selection or election, where people 

          20             who live upstate New York can enjoy the 

          21             right to vote?  The right to community 

          22             control?  The right to get more economic 

          23             resources per child per capita? 

          24                    We respect accountability and 

          25             responsibility, because as you know, 


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           2             district 21 is a model district.  They know 

           3             how to get it done.  So our goal should be 

           4             not to create larger bureaucracies, as was 

           5             recommended today.  Our goal should be to 

           6             empower public district governance bodies 

           7             with real responsibilities for budget, 

           8             educational policy, superintendent 

           9             evaluation, and which are mandated to have 

          10             ongoing consultations with parents and the 

          11             public. 

          12                    We know that the task force is faced 

          13             with an awesome responsibility, but we also 

          14             think that you have a duty to step up.  How 

          15             does the mass plan conflict with the mandate 

          16             of the task force?  And why are we allowing 

          17             a system to be created where parents and the 

          18             community are eliminated from the public 

          19             debate?  Why should superintendents be 

          20             subject to removal or transfer at will?  

          21             Where would parents get the help that they 

          22             need to navigate this system?  And why would 

          23             you dismantle functional districts which 

          24             have a continuity of leadership and a proven 

          25             record of success? 


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           2                    As parents and community, we have the 

           3             right to proffer ideas and concerns about 

           4             our district, the districts in which we 

           5             live.  And in closing, I would like to 

           6             remind everyone of the words of Marian 

           7             Wright Edelman, she said, "If there was ever 

           8             a time to stand up, to speak out and to take 

           9             risks, and to act courageously to defend the 

          10             right of our children and democratic values, 

          11             the time is now." 

          12                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    Thank you.

          13                    MS. ROBERTSON:    At this time, I 

          14             really would like you to hear from the 

          15             children who have been the beneficiaries of 

          16             working in a district that not only honors 

          17             children, but respects them and looks at the 

          18             bottom line, that every child should 

          19             participate fully in their own education, 

          20             and who believe that they're not only 

          21             looking at rhetoric, but can these children 

          22             achieve, and I think they can, they have and 

          23             they will. 

          24                    So our next speaker will be Tai 

          25             Ijelu. 


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           2                    TAI IJELU:   Hello.  Our names are 

           3             Tai and Kenny Ijelu.  We attend PS 329 in 

           4             Coney Island.  We want our parents to have 

           5             the same right to vote  that is enjoyed by 

           6             all other New York State residents.  I know 

           7             Mr. Stewart and Mr. Bowens.  They have 

           8             worked very hard to make sure that our 

           9             school gets the resources they need.  We 

          10             have computers and up-to-date books. 

          11                    When we walk into school, we know 

          12             that we are there to learn.  When we need 

          13             help with -- when we needed help with our 

          14             fourth grade ELA, our community school board 

          15             members, superintendents and local community 

          16             organizations worked together to get us test 

          17             prep for eight weeks prior to tests. 

          18                    KENNY IJELU:   I was glad we had a 

          19             test prep.  We both got threes on our state 

          20             test.  And did not have to go to summer 

          21             school.  This was a special need met by the 

          22             school board.  Dr. Bonhoeffer once said that 

          23             the tests of the morality of a society is 

          24             what it does for its children.  We don't 

          25             need lip service, we need real education.  


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           2             We need you to stop playing with our lives.  

           3             Every year there's a new buzz word for 

           4             education.  Our district is working because 

           5             we are working together.  Leave our district 

           6             alone.  Thank you.  Next up is Joaquil 

           7             Harden. 

           8                    JOAQUIL HARDEN:   Hello.  My name is 

           9             Joaquil Harden.  I want my mother to have 

          10             the same right to vote as a mother at Utica, 

          11             Albany.  What about our constitutional 

          12             rights?  Upstate New Yorkers can get a good 

          13             education, have power and representation, 

          14             and get to build as many jails as they need.  

          15             New York City children are not entitled to a 

          16             good education?  That we should have no 

          17             power and no representation?  We are only 

          18             fit to fill the upstate jails. 

          19                    I deserve an education and the 

          20             opportunity to success. 

          21                    MR. WILLIAMSON:    Good evening.  My 

          22             name is Nelson Williamson.  I am a father of 

          23             three children, all whom attend public 

          24             schools.  I deserve the same right to vote 

          25             for school governance representatives 


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           2             enjoyed by all other New York State 

           3             residents.  It has always been a source of 

           4             personal pride for me to vote in each and 

           5             every election.  I am particularly disturbed 

           6             that the governance change erratic the right 

           7             of Immigrant parents to vote. 

           8                    My neighbors are Russian, Mexicans 

           9             and Pakistani.  What about their voice?  

          10             Community school boards are effective in 

          11             making sure their parents' voices are heard.  

          12             I have worked continuously with Immigrant 

          13             and non-Immigrant parents to encourage them 

          14             to vote in the community and the school 

          15             board elections, held workshops, and 

          16             representation.  It was the only body that I 

          17             could go to to get the school issues 

          18             resolved. 

          19                    School boards serve as effective 

          20             function by setting district educational 

          21             policies, participating in the capital 

          22             planning process, setting district zoning, 

          23             policies and approving the district 

          24             Comprehensive Education Plan. 

          25                    Let's make it plain, why do upstate 


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           2             parents, who are mostly white, have the 

           3             right to vote, but parents who live 

           4             downstate, who are primarily black, Latino 

           5             and Immigrants, not have the right to vote?  

           6             The entire education reform committee -- 

           7             community excuse me, should be outraged that 

           8             we are being denied the right to vote, the 

           9             most basic tenant of American society. 

          10                    If this was Johannesburg and it was 

          11             split in half like New York State is being 

          12             split in half, the education community and 

          13             constitutional law community would be 

          14             outraged. 

          15                    The re-centralization of the New York 

          16             City Board of Education will set our 

          17             children back 30 years.  Why is New York and 

          18             New York City Board of Education -- New York 

          19             City prepared to become a city of 

          20             discrepancy?  Why is New York City prepared 

          21             to become a tale of two cities?  I 

          22             understand this is a fact-finding body.  At 

          23             the end of the day, let the record show, I 

          24             want representation and public access, and I 

          25             want the right to vote. 


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           2                    Last, but not least, to all the 

           3             elected officials, we know who you are, we 

           4             don't know what was offered or promised to 

           5             you for your silence throughout this ordeal, 

           6             but your re-election is not one of them. 

           7                    Are you with me people?  If the Mayor 

           8             is given the power to dismantle the school 

           9             board, I assure you, you will be dismantling 

          10             your own political career.  God bless 

          11             America. 

          12                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    We have a long 

          13             evening.  Let me first of all, I want to 

          14             thank Ms. Robertson and Mr. Williamson for 

          15             your testimony.  It was important.  It was 

          16             well delivered and eloquent, but I can't 

          17             help but think that the stars of this panel 

          18             were the three youngsters sitting in between 

          19             you.  I just want you to know, on behalf of 

          20             the entire task force, that we understand 

          21             very, very well that the mission ultimately 

          22             is about making sure that not only are 

          23             parents and community members represented 

          24             and have representation, but that ultimately 

          25             all of that and all of the talk and the 


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           2             rhetoric, leads to a world-class education 

           3             for the children of the City of New York.  

           4             That's our mission.  We share that with you.  

           5             We thank you very much.  Thank you. 

           6                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Thank you.  

           7             Our next panel, Sarah Kennedy, Faizah Ijelu, 

           8             Frances Soto, Diana Igelu -- I think we have 

           9             a Coney Island dynasty -- Kaity Packer, and 

          10             Al Wilson.  Also South Brooklyn Youth 

          11             Consortium. 

          12                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    As this panel is 

          13             coming down assembling, I just want to make 

          14             the point that Terri Thomson just made.  

          15             These three panels all represent the South 

          16             Brooklyn Youth Consortium, and are mostly 

          17             students, but are accompanied by wonderful 

          18             adult leaders.  So, again, if you will, all 

          19             decide what order you wish to speak and just 

          20             let us all know who is speaking so we will 

          21             be able to greet you all properly.

          22                    MS. FOWLER:   Hello.  My name is 

          23             Kathleen Fowler.  I'm a mother of three 

          24             children who attend public schools.  I don't 

          25             want to be forced to travel downtown 


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           2             Brooklyn, lower Manhattan or Staten Island 

           3             to resolve issues affecting my children.  I 

           4             appreciate the fact that I can walk to my 

           5             local school district and attend open public 

           6             meetings.  I can meet with my local school 

           7             board members to discuss education policies, 

           8             especially the district's Comprehensive 

           9             Education Plan.  This is important, because 

          10             I am meeting with the school board members 

          11             who are from my community and who understand 

          12             the specific dynamics of my community. 

          13                    If community school boards are 

          14             eliminated, I will not have a voice.  I 

          15             would be denied the opportunity to publicly 

          16             participate at the local level.  The Mayor 

          17             is announcing profound changes in the 

          18             educational system.  Each day, as a parent, 

          19             I receive new sound bite by way of 

          20             newspaper, radio or television.  But I have 

          21             yet to see a written plan.  We have a right 

          22             to a written plan, which we can read, 

          23             analyze and evaluate. 

          24                    We have a right to be involved in the 

          25             process of public consultation.  We applaud 


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           2             the efforts of the task force and we hope 

           3             that you will have the courage to draw the 

           4             proverbial line in the sand and reject the 

           5             proposition that community school boards 

           6             should be eliminated.  Good evening. 

           7                    MS. SOTO:    My name is Frances Soto.  

           8             And I attend the Brooklyn Studio School in 

           9             community school district 21.  I am a sixth 

          10             grade student.  Because of my local 

          11             district's long standing commitment of 

          12             education, I have been able to attend 

          13             school-based and community-based programs, 

          14             which provide for a seamless transition 

          15             between regular school and after school. 

          16                    At PS 329, I had a mentor who worked 

          17             with me one on one to improve my test taking 

          18             abilities.  My mentor worked with me by 

          19             improving my self-esteem.  My school was  -- 

          20             my old school was able to create such a 

          21             mentorship program, because they worked with 

          22             the community school board as equal partners 

          23             in the educational process. 

          24                    I am a member of the South Brooklyn 

          25             Youth Corporation.  The youth corporation 


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           2             worked with Mark Twain Junior High School 

           3             during its hunger drive.  I have packed and 

           4             given out bags of food between the true 

           5             effort of the students at Mark Twain Junior 

           6             High School.  On two occasions, we have 

           7             given out over 1,800 bags of food. 

           8                    I also attended a workshop on the 

           9             cautions and prevention of hunger in New 

          10             York City and throughout the whole world.  I 

          11             have learned a lot and know I will be a 

          12             learner for life, because I am beginning to 

          13             educate in a school district which know my 

          14             needs.  I wonder what would happen to our 

          15             students  -- to other students like me if 

          16             there is no district office to go.  I wonder 

          17             what will happen to students like me if we 

          18             get a superintendent who doesn't want to 

          19             know or care to know the community they 

          20             serve. 

          21                    Community school boards give 

          22             community access.  I know Mr. Ronald 

          23             Stewart.  I know that he works hard for 

          24             children in our community.  We need 

          25             community school boards.  Don't take away 


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           2             our parents' voice and educational system.  

           3             Public schools need public representation.  

           4             Thank you.

           5                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    Thank you.

           6                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Thank you.

           7                    FAIZAH IJELU:    Hello.  My name is 

           8             Faizah Ijelu.  I am very honored to be 

           9             giving testimony before the task force on 

          10             community school district governance reform.  

          11             I attend David A. Boody Junior High School.  

          12             I am in the eighth grade.  I am also a 

          13             member of the South Brooklyn Youth Law 

          14             Committee. 

          15                    The recommendation to eliminate 

          16             community school boards can only have one 

          17             effect.  It will terminate and obliterate 

          18             community, student and parent involvement.  

          19             It took our community 26 years to elect a 

          20             parent and community representative to the 

          21             community school board.  As a direct effect 

          22             of the election of Ronald Stewart to the 

          23             community school board, the educational 

          24             outcomes of children who attend the four 

          25             local school in Coney Island has improved, 


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           2             and they have improved because we now have 

           3             community school board members and community 

           4             involvement.  They show that we have 

           5             educational forums which foster community 

           6             and public participation.  Held two working 

           7             sessions.  Held four quarterly meetings with 

           8             PAs and held many consultation meetings and 

           9             public hearings with public participation. 

          10                    They have met with previous 

          11             Chancellors.  Our community school board 

          12             works hard to recruit qualified minority and 

          13             certified teachers to the Coney Island 

          14             community.  As we fight for democracy all 

          15             over the world, how can democracy not allow 

          16             for public representation in public 

          17             education?  How am I different from the 

          18             children who live upstate New York?  Why do 

          19             parents who live in upstate New York have 

          20             the right to have public voice in their 

          21             children's education, but my mother who 

          22             lives in Brooklyn does not have a right to 

          23             have a public voice in my education? 

          24                    We demand that you set up a public 

          25             school governance body with broad public 


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           2             representation.  I demand that my mother's 

           3             right and my father's right to be my voice 

           4             be preserved.  Thank you.

           5                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    Thank you.

           6                    DIANA IJELU:    Good evening, 

           7             everyone.  My name is Diana Ijelu.  I 

           8             thought about Martin Luther King the other 

           9             day.  I thought about how he went to help 

          10             the sanitation workers, and one of them had 

          11             a sign that said, "I am a man."  Why do 

          12             students who live upstate New York are 

          13             different from me?  Why do students who live 

          14             upstate New York have to get the right to 

          15             have more money?  Why do parents upstate 

          16             have the right to local community control?  

          17             The Mayor only plans to save money on 

          18             children's backs.  It's a shame that in 2003 

          19             I now have to come to a public hearing for 

          20             my humanity as a student.

          21                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    Thank you.

          22                    MS. PACKER:   Good evening.  My name 

          23             is Kaity Packer.  I was privileged to attend 

          24             Mark Twain Junior High School.  I understand 

          25             that the Mayor now has control of the New 


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           2             York City public school system, but does 

           3             that mean that my parents and the community 

           4             should not have the right to participate in 

           5             local school governance?  I think not.  This 

           6             is the opportune time to ensure that all 

           7             stakeholders play a meaningful role in the 

           8             education of the children of the City of New 

           9             York. 

          10                    I want my mother and father to be 

          11             able to attend local school board meetings 

          12             in our community.  I want my parents to be 

          13             able to continue to meet with the 

          14             superintendent.  Mark Twain Junior High 

          15             School is in the top five.  I was proud to 

          16             attend a school that reflected the diversity 

          17             of New York City, believed in accountability 

          18             and maintained high standards. 

          19                    I don't believe that in the richest 

          20             country in the world, we don't know what it 

          21             takes to educate a child.  We do know.  We 

          22             know that the whipping boy of school 

          23             governance should not be community school 

          24             boards.  The real fight is fiscal equity.  

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           2             decision upheld.  The real right is no 

           3             longer tolerating two systems of education 

           4             of have and have nots. 

           5                    It is appalling that upstate New 

           6             Yorkers have the right to local community 

           7             control.  It is equally appalling that 

           8             upstate children get more money than 

           9             children in New York City.  We urge the task 

          10             force not to take away the last vestige of 

          11             protection we have, and that is local 

          12             community school boards.  Thank you. 

          13                    MR. WILSON:    Honorable Mr. Sanders, 

          14             Ms. Thomson, I'm probably the most 

          15             transplanted person here, because I'm from 

          16             Connecticut and I got stuck here, so if you 

          17             don't hear a New York slang, and you hear a 

          18             Connecticut twang, you know where I'm from.

          19                    First of all, I came here probably 20 

          20             years ago.  My daughter was born here.  I 

          21             was born and raised in Connecticut, New 

          22             London.  Worked in every city.  Some of the 

          23             programs that I was able to start have all 

          24             dealt around education.  The first job I got 

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           2             dedicated vocational instructor.  In fact, 

           3             the only dubious honor I had out of that I 

           4             was the first and youngest black person to 

           5             ever take to such a position at the age of 

           6             22 years old. 

           7                    The thing that I think that has 

           8             helped some of the youth since me coming to 

           9             South Brooklyn, I first came back to New 

          10             York City as the World Trade Center memorial 

          11             event chairman.  Along with that, we did the 

          12             Festival of Lights which was a week long 

          13             event, but we didn't go to ground 11, we 

          14             went into the communities, and that's what 

          15             I'm here for.

          16                    In fact, the reason I'm here for 

          17             South Brooklyn, because I got stuck in South 

          18             Brooklyn after the event was over and 

          19             probably after my speech here, they're 

          20             probably going to tell me to go back home, 

          21             but  -- no, they're not.  One of the major 

          22             things that I have seen as working in 

          23             education is two things, one, there was a 

          24             program in Connecticut we have something 

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           2             inner-city Connecticut, which they call the 

           3             poorest in the nation.  Then we have the 

           4             richest Connecticut, which is suburban 

           5             Connecticut. 

           6                    There were some programs that were 

           7             started, the university sought me out to 

           8             start which was called Concap.  We took the 

           9             50 toughest students in one of the roughest 

          10             neighborhoods, and the teachers -- and part 

          11             of those 50 students that we took, we were 

          12             supposed to make them college ready at 

          13             seventh and eighth grade.  That means half 

          14             of those students or all of the students, 85 

          15             percent of the students never made the honor 

          16             roll, never was classified as college level, 

          17             and never probably had the motivation to go 

          18             on to college. 

          19                    Those students had to come to a 

          20             program in which I demanded that their 

          21             patients show up at meetings once a week.  

          22             If your parents don't show up to the 

          23             meeting, don't think that this program is 

          24             for you, because what we were promising the 

          25             youth was college guaranteed from the 


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           2             University of Connecticut state college 

           3             system.  

           4                    Now what happened after that, when we 

           5             were finished with the program, and since 

           6             the parents first came together as a 

           7             community -- this is seven years ago -- 

           8             after three semesters, 85 percent of those 

           9             students made the honor roll.  75 percent of 

          10             those students then made it into college 

          11             level courses.  95 percent of the parents 

          12             showed up to every meeting, and that was the 

          13             difference. 

          14                    Taking away the community board is 

          15             almost like me trying to govern my kids from 

          16             California, and I live in Connecticut.  It 

          17             can't happen that way.  In order to do that, 

          18             the people that are around them who know 

          19             them are the ones that going to bring them 

          20             up.  I firmly believe that in order -- now 

          21             I'll get to my statement  -- I firmly 

          22             believe that in order to better our 

          23             education system, we must empower district 

          24             bodies and make them accountable.  They 

          25             should have responsibilities which include 


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           2             responsibility for the budget and 

           3             educational policy. 

           4                    This must include a superintendent 

           5             evaluation and consultation with the parents 

           6             and community.  Parents in the community 

           7             need an elected voice.  The Coney Island 

           8             community has made tremendous strides in 

           9             education, because we partnered with 

          10             community school district 21 to improve the 

          11             lives of our children.  How can you take 

          12             away a community school board which has 

          13             assisted and empowered thousands of parents 

          14             and students partnering with our school 

          15             board members which allowed us to keep 

          16             informed on school governance, school 

          17             leadership teams, new tests, etcetera?

          18                    We also firmly believe that the task 

          19             force on community school district 

          20             governance reform has a duty to propose a 

          21             plan which is inclusive of all public 

          22             stakeholders, administrators, parents, 

          23             students and community.  And in order for us 

          24             to do this, we are now  -- we're looking at 

          25             you, I sit here and see your faces and so 


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           2             forth, and I haven't seen you before and you 

           3             you haven't seen my JJ look alike face 

           4             before either.

           5                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    I know who JJ 

           6             was.

           7                    MR. WILSON:    I like to consider 

           8             myself a Denzel Washington, but I'm working 

           9             on it.  But we will remember your face when 

          10             this is over.

          11                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    I'll remember 

          12             yours too.  Mr. Wilson, first of all, let me 

          13             just say that Connecticut's loss is our 

          14             gain.  Stay here.  We need you here.  To all 

          15             of you, and especially the students who are 

          16             here, I can't tell you how much we 

          17             appreciate and are indebted to all of you, 

          18             but in a way, especially the students, 

          19             because after all, that is what all of this 

          20             is about, to make the schools as good as 

          21             they can be for this generation of students.  

          22             So your telling us what you need every day 

          23             and every year in the schools is very 

          24             meaningful to us.  We appreciate you.

          25                    MR. WILSON:    Mr. Sanders, I have 


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           2             one point that I forgot to make, I told you 

           3             the program was seven years ago and I said 

           4             we had 50 students.  90 percent of those 

           5             students are in college today.

           6                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    That's great.  

           7             We thank you very much.  Thank you. 

           8                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    I think we 

           9             have one more group from South Brooklyn 

          10             Youth Consortium.  David Gaddy, Eddie 

          11             Brumfield and Kathleen Fowler was just with 

          12             this group.  Is there anyone else from South 

          13             Brooklyn?  I feel very safe here tonight.  I 

          14             just wanted to note that the student safety 

          15             patrol is here with us tonight.  If the 

          16             young man would stand up.

          17                    MR. GADDY:    By the way, district 13 

          18             invented this about 15 years ago.  I've been 

          19             volunteering for 30 years.

          20                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    We need you at 

          21             the microphone so everybody can hear you.

          22                    MR. GADDY:    My name is Mr. Gaddy.  

          23             I'm a parent volunteer for 30 years.  I 

          24             started volunteering when I was 14 years old 

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           2             good superintendents then back in those 

           3             days, Young, Ward, and I tell you, we need 

           4             our school boards.  We don't have them, we 

           5             don't have nothing.  This is my friend David 

           6             Gaddy Jr.  I raised my daughter Shamika for 

           7             22 years by myself as a single parent.  

           8             Without the district, I couldn't have done 

           9             it by myself. 

          10                    I have been involved as a parent 

          11             leader advocate for over 26 years.  I have 

          12             attended parent training and parent 

          13             workshops with many districts, community 

          14             board, district school board members, other 

          15             local schools, principals, after-school 

          16             program, allowed me to have a relationship 

          17             with the children in local school and 

          18             principals and school board members. 

          19                    I always felt welcome at the school 

          20             board meetings, which were always well 

          21             attended and informative.  I always felt a 

          22             part of the process with the superintendent, 

          23             you know, at the state education.  I  could 

          24             go past a lot of this stuff, because it 

          25             bothered me that they can build all those 


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           2             jails, they got money for all these jails, 

           3             but they don't have money to keep the school 

           4             boards intact. 

           5                    I'm here today on behalf of all the 

           6             children of New York and district 21, and 

           7             especially my daughter, Shamika Gaddy, and 

           8             my son, David Jr.  My daughter is 22 years 

           9             old.  I raised her by myself, as I was 

          10             saying.  It was hard, but without the 

          11             district, I couldn't have done it, because 

          12             every time I had a problem with the 

          13             principal or the assistants or parent, I 

          14             would go to the district and sit down with 

          15             one of the district members, and we would 

          16             work something out. 

          17                    I have 25 stepchildren, and I have a 

          18             son named Cameron, and he  -- train driver 

          19             today, and he's a mechanic.  He went to tech 

          20             high down Ft. Green over here, and he was I 

          21             call him the school preacher.  The teacher 

          22             had him running around the school doing all 

          23             kind of work and stuff in the school and he 

          24             was a very bright children.  When it was 

          25             time for him to get somewhere, they closed 


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           2             the door on him.  I went down to district 13 

           3             and I fought for my son to get into a better 

           4             school, and it was -- his average, 

           5             everything was fine, and you know, they did 

           6             it.  Now today he's a train driver and he 

           7             fixes trains, and he's only 22 years old.  

           8             And if it wasn't for the district, it wasn't 

           9             for the district, where would I be. 

          10                    So I'm here tonight to tell you, 

          11             district 21 I've been part of and it has 

          12             tremendously helped my daughter, Adele 

          13             Cohen, South Brooklyn.  I had no money.  No 

          14             income.  Disabled.  Open heart surgery.  

          15             They worked hard with me.  Got my daughter 

          16             to Kingsboro College for Business.  She's a 

          17             cosmetologist. 

          18                    If it weren't for the school boards, 

          19             my 22 year old wouldn't be where she is at.  

          20             I urge you, please, I pray at night, please, 

          21             please -- stand up.  He's only six years 

          22             old.  If he don't have district 13, I don't 

          23             want the cops to get him, the prisons to get 

          24             him.  I want him to complete his education, 

          25             and student safety patrol is part of our 


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           2             lives. 

           3                    Community board, most of you all 

           4             might have met me before with Grenadier 

           5             situation, you're a great board, but I 

           6             promise you, we'll remember your faces.  

           7             Thank you, sir.

           8                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    I've never met 

           9             so many people in one room who can remember 

          10             my face.  Even my family doesn't remember my 

          11             face that well.  Thank you very much.  Thank 

          12             you very much, Mr. Gaddy.

          13                    MR. BRUMFIELD:    My name is Eddie 

          14             Brumfield.  I'm out of South Brooklyn.  And 

          15             I'll just say, I've been on the battlefield 

          16             my whole life, and there's no compelling 

          17             argument that can be made to eliminate 

          18             community school boards.  Especially in 

          19             light of the Mayor's announcement on January 

          20             15, 2003.  The idea that we should have a 

          21             network of good schools and a network of bad 

          22             schools is a smack in the face of the 

          23             children of New York City.  The notion that 

          24             destroying district offices will free up 

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           2             space in that particular school, but it will 

           3             not create additional, substantial space, 

           4             because most children, most schools have 

           5             limited space as it is. 

           6                    And what about the people who work in 

           7             the district offices?  Why should they be 

           8             forced to retire or join the unemployment 

           9             line?  What about their families?  At 

          10             community school board 21 we had a legacy of 

          11             exceptional leadership in the form of 

          12             superintendents.  Why should our children 

          13             suffer and be forced to share a 

          14             superintendent or lose our superintendent 

          15             altogether? 

          16                    Mayor control should not mean the 

          17             elimination of community and parent input.  

          18             The recommendation of parent engagement 

          19             boards means that we're replacing one level 

          20             of bureaucracy with another.  The effect is 

          21             to defraud the citizens of New York City of 

          22             their right to effective and authoritative 

          23             representation.  The effect is to eradicate 

          24             our voting rights.  We demand the right to 

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           2             process.  Local community elected 

           3             representation provides the only check and 

           4             balance in a democracy.  And the last time I 

           5             checked in the United States of America, was 

           6             still  -- it was still a democracy, but our 

           7             legacy continues to be that of a democracy 

           8             for some and not for others. 

           9                    We demand a place at the table.  We 

          10             demand a voice.  I thank you for your time.

          11                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Thank you.

          12                    MR. STEWART:    Good evening, ladies 

          13             and gentlemen.  My name is Ronald Stewart.  

          14             I'm the guy they been talking about.  I'm 

          15             currently a member of the community school 

          16             board and as Mrs. Robinson and the rest of 

          17             the members of the communities and members 

          18             of district 21 have said, that we have 

          19             worked long and hard to make sure that our 

          20             children have a quality and proper 

          21             education. 

          22                    I have seven children, all of whom 

          23             attended schools in district 21.  I am a 

          24             product of district 21.  I lived on the site 

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           2             the Trump Village.  I lived in a bungalow in 

           3             the Coney Island area most of my life. 

           4                    I have five grandchildren who also 

           5             attend schools in district 21, and we worked 

           6             hard for many years.  I don't want to go 

           7             over what many of the parents and PTA 

           8             members have said, because it will just be 

           9             unjust, because they have already laid out 

          10             what you need to hear, and I appeal to you, 

          11             I call to your great conscious to listen to 

          12             what these people are saying. 

          13                    I have meetings every Sunday with my 

          14             children at my home.  When I make a mistake, 

          15             and I and my wife are the governors or the 

          16             governors to the home, but we make sure that 

          17             they share in whatever happens in that home.  

          18             These parents, these children, these members 

          19             of district 21 and the other districts in 

          20             New York City deserve a right to make and 

          21             help make decisions with their own 

          22             education. 

          23                    When I'm wrong about -- when I'm 

          24             wrong, I tell my children and I find out 

          25             that parents and adults find it very hard to 


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           2             apologize to children.  And if we take the 

           3             position that the Mayor is planning, we will 

           4             be, 10 years down the line, apologizing to a 

           5             generation.  Not only am I parent, a school 

           6             board member, but I'm a New York State 

           7             parole officer.  I supervise 60 to 80 

           8             parolees in the Brownsville area, and you 

           9             have heard what's been happening there in 

          10             the last few days. 

          11                    These are young men that I see coming 

          12             out of the prisons, that prisons that are 

          13             built on the word of legislators that are 

          14             upstate.  I see these men, the roughest, 

          15             toughest meanest cats that tell me, 

          16             Mr. Stewart, when I was a little boy, all I 

          17             wanted to do was go to school and be a 

          18             doctor.  I don't know what happened in 

          19             between that time and now, but we need to 

          20             think about that. 

          21                    So I'm saying, there was a man who is 

          22             currently a city councilman that introduced 

          23             a lawsuit and proved that the children 

          24             upstate financially were receiving more 

          25             money -- now he was a former school board 


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           2             member -- then the children in New York 

           3             City.  I felt that that was a great fight 

           4             for the politicians to champion that cause, 

           5             and I challenge you to take up that cause. 

           6                    Did we have problems in district 21?  

           7             Yes, we did, but we sat down with the former 

           8             school superintendent, Mr. Donald Webber and 

           9             the current superintendent, 

          10             Mrs. Effeltucker, and the officials, and we 

          11             sat down and we worked hard to make the 

          12             district work for all of our children.  And 

          13             we will continue to do that.  But I'm asking 

          14             you in good conscious, to listen to these 

          15             people, because we living in a time as no 

          16             time before.  And when my children come to 

          17             me and say daddy, you know, you had the 

          18             humility to say you were sorry, you made a 

          19             mistake, don't make a mistake with the lives 

          20             of our children.  Thank you. 

          21                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Thank you.  

          22             Thank you very much.

          23                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    Mr. Stewart, I 

          24             want to thank you, and I want to thank you, 

          25             Mr. Brumfield, and I want to thank you, 


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           2             Mr. Gaddy and Mr. Gaddy.  Thank you all very 

           3             much for being here.  We're listening very 

           4             carefully to what you are saying, and I can 

           5             certainly tell you on behalf of all the 

           6             members of this task force, that we hear 

           7             your message, we're listening carefully, and 

           8             we hope to do the right thing.  We thank you 

           9             very much. 

          10                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:   Stanley Kinard, 

          11             director of the Woodson Project. 

          12                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    As Mr. Kinnard 

          13             makes his way to the table, let me just say 

          14             that the last groups of speakers were groups 

          15             of speakers.  We obviously allowed greater 

          16             liberty with the five-minute rule, but 

          17             because we have so many speakers, we have to 

          18             pretty strictly limit the individual 

          19             testimony to five minutes, and I hate to 

          20             interrupt people and be rude, but if we're 

          21             getting to that five minutes, I need to hold 

          22             up this gentle reminder so that you'll 

          23             conclude, and we can hear everybody tonight.  

          24             We have about 40 speakers who want to speak.  

          25             Thank you for being with us, Mr. Kinard.


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           2                    MR. KINARD:     Thank you, Mr. 

           3             Sanders.  My name is Stanley Kinard.  I am 

           4             the executive director of the Carter G. 

           5             Woodson Cultural Literacy Project.  A 

           6             community-based organization, who in the 

           7             spirit of its founder, its namesake, has as 

           8             its mission, the teaching of African history 

           9             and culture to students in high school and 

          10             elementary school in New York City.

          11                    I was born in Brownsville, the home 

          12             for the battle for community control.  In 

          13             1964, I remember the boycott of schools lead 

          14             by the late Reverend Milton Glammason, and 

          15             the call for quality education and community 

          16             control of schools.  While I was a student 

          17             and was not able to participate in the 

          18             Oceanhill-Brownsville call for community 

          19             control, I was as a student of its leaders, 

          20             as an undergraduate at University of 

          21             Massachusetts. 

          22                    In 1970, Rhody McCoy, the leader of 

          23             the Oceanhill-Brownsville fight joined the 

          24             faculty as professor in the school of 

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           2             another leader of the Oceanhill battle, a 

           3             young student by the name of Paul Chandler, 

           4             and they were later joined by Dr. Harvey 

           5             Scrimner, the former  -- the late Dr. Harvey 

           6             Scrimner might I add, because he just passed  

           7             -- former superintendent of New York City 

           8             schools during that period. 

           9                    Dr. McCoy later became my faculty 

          10             advisor and was a great influence upon me.  

          11             During my tenure in Amherst, I came to New 

          12             York City on weekends to listen to Brother 

          13             Jitu Weusi lecture at the east culture 

          14             center, regarding the need for African 

          15             centered education and for community control 

          16             in the school system. 

          17                    So inspired by Dr. McCoy, Dr. 

          18             Scrimner, Brother Jitu and being introduced 

          19             to the teachings of Dr. Carter G. Woodson, 

          20             my life's mission was carved out.  It is in 

          21             this life's mission that brings me here 

          22             today to discuss this important changes that 

          23             is currently occurring in the New York City 

          24             school system. 

          25                    The conversation and action 


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           2             surrounding the reforms are needed and are 

           3             extremely timely.  However, in the rush to 

           4             reform and the excitement of the hour, there 

           5             is an essential and critical part of school 

           6             reform that is being ignored.  It is the 

           7             issue of cultural rights.  It is also the 

           8             issue of voting rights.  In 1903, Dr. W.E.B.  

           9             DeBois stated that the problem of the 20th 

          10             century is the problem of the color line.  

          11             This statement is even more important today, 

          12             in the year 2003, a century later, 100 years 

          13             later, as we address the school governance 

          14             issue in New York City. 

          15                    The problem of the 21st century is a 

          16             recognition of the cultural rights of people 

          17             African decent and all people of color as it 

          18             pertains to their education.  This issue has 

          19             been played out before our eyes  -- is being 

          20             played out right before our eyes in the New 

          21             York City school system. 

          22                    Students of African decent make up 

          23             approximately 40 percent of the student 

          24             population.  Yet, it is only school 

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           2             Latino that are failing school districts.  

           3             There are no white failing school districts 

           4             in New York City or New York State.  This 

           5             issue is evident. 

           6                    When looking at the recent ruling in 

           7             the Campaign for Fiscal Equity court case 

           8             where the judge ruled -- and this has been 

           9             stated over and over again tonight -- that 

          10             students in New York City were being 

          11             shortchanged by billions of dollars.  The 

          12             government challenged this ruling and it was 

          13             overturned. 

          14                    Basically this law supports the 

          15             continued inequity in public education that 

          16             affects particularly black and Latino 

          17             students and is very reminiscent of Plessy 

          18             versus Ferguson decision in 1896 which 

          19             stated that separate but equal is 

          20             unconstitutional. 

          21                    The issue of color rears its head 

          22             during February which we call Black History 

          23             Month.  Several years ago the central Board 

          24             of Education voted to close schools for a 

          25             week during the month of February.  This 


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           2             makes no educational sense and it's 

           3             certainly not putting children first.  

           4             Additionally, it is an affront to the spirit 

           5             of our ancestors and every African child and 

           6             parent in New York City.  February is the 

           7             shortest month in the year and Black History 

           8             is the only time that the school system 

           9             uniformly addresses the contributions of 

          10             Africans and the people of African decent 

          11             that they have made to the world at large.  

          12             It makes no educational sense, because in 

          13             high schools, the winter break comes two 

          14             weeks after the start of the new semester.  

          15             Students come back after taking their 

          16             regents on February 3 to receive their 

          17             report cards, and two weeks later they're 

          18             out of school for an entire week.  This 

          19             certainly again does not put children first.  

          20             And might I add, black or white children. 

          21                    If there were real community control, 

          22             this law would never have passed.  Which 

          23             brings me to the most important and critical 

          24             part of the cultural rights issue, as it 

          25             pertains to the New York City education 


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           2             system, that of school governance and 

           3             community involvement in that process. 

           4                    If there were really community 

           5             control, if there really had been a sense of 

           6             school governance, this law would never have 

           7             passed.  While community involvement in the 

           8             government process, we can never ensure that 

           9             the cultural right --  I'm sorry  -- without 

          10             community involvement in the governance 

          11             process, we can never ensure that the 

          12             cultural rights of children of African 

          13             decent will ever be realized in the New York 

          14             City school system. 

          15                    To this date, we're still suffering 

          16             from the trauma of the Post Atlantic Slave 

          17             Trade, and neither the city, nor the country 

          18             has yet to identify it as a crime against 

          19             humanity.  In listening carefully to Mayor 

          20             Bloomberg's address yesterday, he used a 

          21             quote from Dr. King.  Mayor Bloomberg stated 

          22             that Dr. King regularly reminded us that an 

          23             injustice anywhere threatens justice 

          24             everywhere.  Yet, we do not receive this 

          25             action reflected in his action on school 


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           2             reform.  Mr. Bloomberg's definition of 

           3             justice does not address the injustice of 

           4             disempowerment.  Justice is not censorship 

           5             of  people talking about education policy as 

           6             being proposed, as being pushed, you know, 

           7             that an advisory board was just impaneled to 

           8             replace the central Board of Education, and 

           9             the day that they were introduced to public 

          10             they were also told that the minute that I 

          11             hear one of you speaking to the press, you 

          12             will be immediately fired. 

          13                    Justice is not shutting schools down 

          14             during Black History Month.  Justice is not 

          15             inequality in the distribution of resources, 

          16             as evidenced in the Campaign For Fiscal 

          17             Equity, and justice is certainly not 

          18             ignoring the culture rights of people of 

          19             African decent for African-centered 

          20             curriculum, if they so choose.  The only 

          21             thing that can stop this injustice is to 

          22             have a governance structure that is 

          23             community controlled and inclusive. 

          24                    A governance structure that must be 

          25             able to speak out publicly about their 


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           2             concerns.  To ensure that we do not go 

           3             backwards to this dangerous era of state's 

           4             rights.  I urge this panel to vote for the 

           5             creation of independent school councils 

           6             compromised of both parents and community 

           7             members. 

           8                    Now I want to say one thing, that I 

           9             feel that we have reached a historic point 

          10             in the evolution of the New York City public 

          11             school system.  I too believe that change is 

          12             in order and there's certain things about 

          13             that Mayor Bloomberg has proposed that I 

          14             applaud.  I welcome smaller schools.  I 

          15             welcome smaller class size.  I too believe 

          16             that some of the staff in district offices 

          17             need to be deployed back to the classroom. 

          18                    My concern, however, is that we not 

          19             get overwhelmed in the euphoria of the 

          20             moment and lose sight of the fact that we 

          21             could be laying the framework and the ground 

          22             work for privitization and for school 

          23             vouchers.  Thank you very much, sir. 

          24                    One person's ideas and opinions 

          25             cannot dominate a system of 1.3 million 


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           2             students and is potentially dangerous and 

           3             totalitarian, and it is not what the good 

           4             Dr. King had in mind when he spoke of being 

           5             mindful of injustice.  He stood for 

           6             inclusive democratic governance.  Thank you 

           7             very much. 

           8                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    We thank you for 

           9             your strong, eloquent statement and for your 

          10             years of work in fighting for public 

          11             education.

          12                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Next Vilda 

          13             Simone, consultant, UPA, United Parents 

          14             Association.  I believe she's here now.

          15                    MS. SIMONE:     Yes.  Good evening.  

          16             I'd like to apologize.  Excuse me.  Good 

          17             evening everyone.  I would like to apologize 

          18             for having my back to the audience.  I felt 

          19             a little uncomfortable, I don't know about 

          20             anybody else, by having Chancellor here to 

          21             discuss such an important issue as the one 

          22             we are here this evening to what is it 12 

          23             midnight you guys, and his back was to 

          24             everyone, and it says a lot about what we 

          25             feel really about our children and the 


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           2             parents and their involvement.

           3                    I need to go home soon, but as a 

           4             consultant for professional development for 

           5             parents, I can't begin to tell you how 

           6             outraged I am about the fact that you want 

           7             to put the cart  -- and I don't mean the 

           8             panelists here, and I certainly don't mean 

           9             parents and educators and supporters of the 

          10             public education in the audience, but how do 

          11             you put a cart before the horse when you 

          12             don't even have fiscal equity?  Don't get it 

          13             twisted.  Let's get it right.  You are not 

          14             going anywhere without the money to create 

          15             better schools.  Without the money to ensure 

          16             the resources to pay a parent coordinator, 

          17             whether they are elected, selected, 

          18             rejected. 

          19                    My point is simply this, in 2003, 

          20             where there is money to finance war, and by 

          21             the way, the young men and women who today 

          22             at 18, are in forts and who have left and 

          23             are about to gear up and leave, are 

          24             listening to Nas and respect, and if you 

          25             don't know who Nas is, you're really not 


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           2             connected to the adolescence in this city, 

           3             because they are in the forefront and going 

           4             to be on the front line of what is happening 

           5             overseas, and they have public education.  

           6             They have public education.  Many of them 

           7             are from New York City.  I have met them.  

           8             I've talked to them.  It's very interesting 

           9             their perception of what in fact they have 

          10             as education instilled in them, and why they 

          11             joined the army,  to have a better education 

          12             and have money for college. 

          13                    I'm going to tell you what, there is 

          14             the cart before the horse.  Fiscal equity 

          15             must be resolved.  I suggest that Mayor 

          16             Bloomberg knock on the door of Pataki, and 

          17             you know, and get with him about it so that 

          18             he can make this interesting, by the way, 

          19             plan reach fruition. 

          20                    We'd like to see change.  We'd like 

          21             to see a lot more done, but not without 

          22             parents at the table.  Why?  Because this is 

          23             my child who's in school from 8:00 to 3:00 

          24             that pays your salary.  It's as simple as 

          25             that.  I'm concerned about what she gets and 


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           2             how much of it.  Privatization.  Listen, 

           3             what are you going to do with the tax 

           4             dollars?  Do we all get a refund, because 

           5             the money is now being siphoned into 

           6             something else.  I don't want to get it 

           7             twisted.  I really want to get it right. 

           8                    My child is in one of the premiere 

           9             districts in New York City, which is 

          10             district 13, and I can tell you how hard the 

          11             superintendent and its staff there has 

          12             worked.  We have some very unique and 

          13             dynamic programs for children going on and 

          14             have done so.  Benjamin Banica had the 

          15             highest scores in New York City.  That is a 

          16             district 13 school. 

          17                    One thing we need to go home with 

          18             tonight as an afterthought when we watch the 

          19             news, whether it's censored or not, is what 

          20             is being done with the tax monies that you 

          21             can't have fiscal equity if you are about 

          22             public education.  I thank you so much.  

          23             Good night.

          24                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Thank you very 

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           2                    MS. CLARKE:    Hi.  Good night.  My 

           3             name is Levita Clarke.  District 17.  

           4             Concerned and hard working parent.  I would 

           5             like to thank the task force dedication in 

           6             leveling the playing field in the process 

           7             for governance.  The process has been a 

           8             successful one, and I have heard no 

           9             complaints thus far, except for the  -- I 

          10             would like to add  -- the relocation of not 

          11             knowing the place that the meeting is going 

          12             to be held in advance, so you can spread the 

          13             word even more. 

          14                    The job/responsibilities of the 

          15             incoming body has been made a little easier 

          16             due to the sweeping changes in education 

          17             being proposed by the Mayor.  The children 

          18             in New York City will always need a champion 

          19             with their best interests at heart. 

          20                    In 99 percent of all cases, this has 

          21             been their parent.  Based on that 

          22             revelation, this leaves me as a dedicated 

          23             concerned parent leader, to recommend to 

          24             this task force that the make up of the 

          25             incoming governance be made up of 


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           2             governance. 

           3                    In our present society, parents are 

           4             overloaded with responsibilities.  So in 

           5             order to be able to find those exceptional 

           6             parents that always focus on children's 

           7             education, there must be a process.  It is 

           8             my belief that this task force's conclusion 

           9             should be and must now engage in a further 

          10             mission.  This mission must be to define the 

          11             rules that produce fair representation 

          12             across the board. 

          13                    In order for this task force to be 

          14             able to come up with a more quality 

          15             recommendation proposal, they must include 

          16             the local strong and unbiased parent leaders 

          17             in this process.  Again, the parent leaders 

          18             who will be elevating to the highest level 

          19             of advocacy for our children, must not be 

          20             the pick of administration. 

          21                    These parent leaders must have 

          22             experience.  Their volunteerism must not be 

          23             the only point of reference in the time 

          24             frame when they hold a title.  Talk to the 

          25             local parent leaders.  They know how serious 


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           2             this effort needs and an honest answer.  

           3             Parents must have a voice at the table where 

           4             ideas are formed.  The mission of the new 

           5             representatives must be to change for a 

           6             positive culture in the individual schools.  

           7             This will be a monumental task which will 

           8             require experienced members in the new 

           9             governance.  Getting high quality education 

          10             to be delivered to every child in the 

          11             Department of Education would be a miracle.  

          12             This culture changing could become a very 

          13             dangerous mission.  There must be a mandated 

          14             protection put in place to avoid children of 

          15             parents seeking the new government from 

          16             being penalized for the steps that must be 

          17             taken to bring about true change. 

          18                    Once parents know that their children 

          19             are safe from reprisals, they can put their 

          20             full concentration on the business of 

          21             advocating and on a limited length.  There 

          22             must be a real authority with this position.  

          23             A lot of hiding and protecting goes on in 

          24             the Department of Education.  In order to 

          25             bring about effective change, the new 


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           2             representation must have all the 

           3             information.  There are also a few community 

           4             people that should be included in the 

           5             choice, the true advocates for children.  

           6             The community people should never outnumber 

           7             the parent leaders in the new governance 

           8             package. 

           9                    In conclusion, I as a parent leader 

          10             have a lot more suggestions of not only my 

          11             own, but parents overall.  I communicate 

          12             with parents from every borough.  I also 

          13             listen to everything they have to say.  So I 

          14             believe I have my finger on the pulse in the 

          15             local schools.  I have served parents in 

          16             every capacity that exists.  I have 

          17             advocated with a title and without a title.  

          18             I was even given an award for being a 

          19             constant pain to administration all year.  I 

          20             must admit I was surprised. 

          21                    There are rules everyone must follow.  

          22             This is the culture that the school should 

          23             have, a hard working but yielding positive,  

          24             high quality learning environment, which is 

          25             exactly what should be happening.  Every 


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           2             parent leader, like myself, should be 

           3             cloning themselves with every parent they 

           4             meet.  Elevation of knowledge on different 

           5             levels should never bring about exclusion of 

           6             the local parents. 

           7                    The education of the local parents 

           8             must be ongoing.  There are some Department 

           9             of Education local staff who do not realize 

          10             an educated parent is an asset.  Thus, 

          11             they're not able to tap into this endless 

          12             supply of support.  This task force have the 

          13             great privilege of changing millions of 

          14             children's lives.  Make sure history looks 

          15             back on you kindly.  You may be compared 

          16             with when education was decentralized. 

          17                    I hope I was able to be of some help.  

          18             This is my first task force testimony.  I 

          19             was not sure about the format, but I love 

          20             learning knew things and I will continue to 

          21             stay involved.  Thank you.  Get home safe.  

          22             Good night.

          23                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    Thank you very 

          24             much.  You did just fine.  We appreciate it, 

          25             Ms. Clarke. 


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           2                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:   Benjamin 

           3             Greene. 

           4                    MR. GREENE:   Good evening.  I'd like 

           5             to introduce myself.  I am the PTA president 

           6             of PS 256 in district 13.  I am also the 

           7             president of the President's Council in 

           8             district 13, but far most and more 

           9             important, I am a parent of a student in 

          10             district 13, and of this Department of 

          11             Education.

          12                    I'd like to read a little bit of my 

          13             testimony and the testimony of some of our 

          14             concerned parents in district 13.  We, the 

          15             concerned parents of community school 

          16             district 13, are disturbed and outraged over 

          17             the sweeping reforms Mayor Bloomberg has 

          18             proposed for New York City public school 

          19             education system. 

          20                    Mayor Bloomberg's proposal is the 

          21             most massive and radical budget cut in the 

          22             history of New York City public school 

          23             educational system.  Must our children 

          24             always be the sacrificing lambs of the New 

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           2             pledged in his election campaign to replace 

           3             partisanship and patronage with 

           4             accountability and intervention, so why are 

           5             we forced to settle?  A lot these one step, 

           6             one size fit all to  -- and requirements for 

           7             our children.  Does the Chancellor pose the 

           8             12 minimal educational standard credits 

           9             required to become a teacher?  The 

          10             Chancellor is now using search committees to 

          11             see what is the most need by out school 

          12             system.  Mr. Klein should have, at the very 

          13             least, the minimal requirements standards as 

          14             described by the chapter, if a proposed 

          15             overall education curriculum hitting the 

          16             ground running. 

          17                    Did he pool the educators that we 

          18             have already in the system that has been 

          19             here for over 20 some odd years to be his 

          20             number one or number two person in charge of 

          21             the city education?  The concerned parents 

          22             of district 13 understand that the overall 

          23             education prospect of our district or any 

          24             district range from pre-K to high school and 

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           2             what is the best interest of our children, 

           3             and I do repeat, what is in the best 

           4             interest of our children, and not those who 

           5             profit or special interest groups. 

           6                    Parents in district 13 identify a 

           7             juvenile as a dependent student or person 

           8             who relies on their parent and guardian or 

           9             caregiver up to the age of 18, and in some 

          10             cases, to the age of 21.  Parents in 

          11             district 13 embrace the motion of 

          12             educational reform from the basic readiness, 

          13             skills and early childhood education to 

          14             prepare them for the rights of passage to 

          15             adulthood from middle school to high school 

          16             and through college.  We want the Department 

          17             of Education to adopt our philosophy of 

          18             being a coma district while illustrating a 

          19             curriculum like the model school district. 

          20                    The model school district pilot 

          21             program gave the parents of district 13 an 

          22             opportunity to implement programs and assume 

          23             responsibility for the selective functions 

          24             and administrative centrally, hosting 

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           2             demonstration district for the New York City 

           3             public school system. 

           4                    The objective of the model school 

           5             district was to promote the three Rs.  

           6             Re-think the way we do business, restructure 

           7             our organizations and practice while 

           8             reorganizing the district educational 

           9             administrations.  The success of the model 

          10             district was outstanding.  Parents 

          11             participated in record numbers.  Businesses 

          12             became corporate partners and educational 

          13             outcomes soared.  Parents, teachers, 

          14             businesses and the community became 

          15             partners, illustrating the school 

          16             development program, otherwise known as SDP. 

          17                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    Mr. Greene, 

          18             we'll need you to summarize the rest of your 

          19             remarks.  We're well passed the five 

          20             minutes.  As much as we enjoy listening to.  

          21             Thank you, sir.

          22                    MR. GREENE:   Okay.  Summarizing, 

          23             where we have in district 13 felt that the 

          24             children come first.  Like similar to what 

          25             the Mayor is saying in a lot of his 


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           2             proposals, children come first.  But we also 

           3             feel that a lot of these changes are not in 

           4             the interest of the children. 

           5                    They are more into the interests of 

           6             special interest groups.  They are more in 

           7             the interest of self-gratification.  And you 

           8             know, as far as politicians going up in 

           9             front and grand-standing, I made a change, 

          10             but in the long run, is this beneficial to 

          11             the children?  Taking away that core of 

          12             district offices right there that parents 

          13             can go to, or staff can go right there and 

          14             putting them in this big pool of more than 

          15             one school.  I kind of read over briefly 

          16             some of the changes that he's talking about, 

          17             but I think if we talk about reduced class 

          18             sizes and that we need smaller class size 

          19             with students in there, why are we now 

          20             turning back and contradicting ourselves and 

          21             saying that we want to make this one big 

          22             district, when we already said the smaller 

          23             it is, the better we can teach these 

          24             children?  We can identify some of the areas 

          25             of weakness with these children, and better 


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           2             educate them, why are we going to put our 

           3             educational system in a big pool?  

           4                    The other thing is that I feel that 

           5             not to change the system, but reform it, 

           6             correct it and put more watchdogs.  Have the 

           7             parents have more power that they have.  I 

           8             understand that we are talking about 

           9             eliminating community school boards, but 

          10             instead of eliminating or changing their 

          11             names, also put something up there.  If 

          12             we're going to replace them, replace them 

          13             with something where parents have more power 

          14             and agree with and can come with their 

          15             grievance or make a purpose and not we be an 

          16             advisory council. 

          17                    For too long we have heard in this 

          18             public school system that we're advisory.  

          19             Oh, we'll take that under consideration.  

          20             Let our thoughts, let our ideas be fact.  

          21             Let us have some say so in something how the 

          22             business is being done in the school system. 

          23                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    We thank you, 

          24             Mr. Greene.  We thank you very much.  I 

          25             actually think the best part of your 


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           2             testimony was that which you spoke about off 

           3             the cuff.  It was very compelling.  We thank 

           4             you very much.

           5                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Mrs. Dorothy 

           6             Ellis, president of community school board 

           7             23.  Okay.  Who's next?  Denise Gordon, vice 

           8             president, United Parents Association.  And 

           9             Jan, when Mrs. Ellis comes in, could you ask 

          10             her just to come down to the table.  Save a 

          11             few minutes.  Good evening.

          12                    MS. GORDON:    I'm sorry.  Good 

          13             evening, everyone.  I'm Denise Gordon.  You 

          14             need to accept my apology.  I think it's the 

          15             first time that I'm prepared to give a 

          16             testimony, but it's not in writing, and I 

          17             think there is some certain times, there are 

          18             certain things that you just cannot put in 

          19             black and white.  But there is something 

          20             that came across, that I came across within 

          21             the last maybe about three months that is in 

          22             black and white, and that's the summary of 

          23             the 1969 School Decentralization Law for New 

          24             York City.  And I'm sure most of you in your 

          25             research about replacing the school board, 


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           2             I'm absolutely certain that you might have 

           3             done your research, and you would have 

           4             realized that it's 32 years to the exact 

           5             date, January 16, 1972 was the date that 

           6             parents and the communities were allowed to 

           7             give their testimonies or actually decide 

           8             who's going to be voting for school board. 

           9                    Let us not be dismayed in thinking 

          10             that 32 years ago the members that sat on 

          11             the school board were parents.  Now 32 years 

          12             later, we are saying let's come together 

          13             with the parent policy.  I do agree with 

          14             that, but first of all, I think we need to 

          15             give an apology to the good functioning 

          16             members that are sitting on school boards. 

          17                    There are some wonderful individuals, 

          18             wonderful individuals and there are some 

          19             wonderful examples of good functioning 

          20             school boards, and I'm glad district 21 

          21             folks went out of here, because I'm a 

          22             district -- all right.  I thought I was glad 

          23             they were out of here, because I'm a 

          24             district 21 parent, and tonight, the 

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           2             decided  -- tonight is my PA meeting.  I'm 

           3             also PA president of district 21.  The 

           4             president of the school board decided to go 

           5             to my school to run the program so I could 

           6             be here tonight.  So I'm wearing three our 

           7             four different hats. 

           8                    One would think if the Mayor is 

           9             saying and the Chancellor  -- the 

          10             Chancellor, by the way, was given  -- he was 

          11             given rule or reign over our schools, but 

          12             not over our children.  And there's a major 

          13             difference.  You cannot call parental 

          14             involvement parental involvement and yet 

          15             parents aren't being developed the way they 

          16             should be.  There's a fundamental problem 

          17             with the previous school boards.  The school 

          18             boards were there.  There were people who 

          19             were paid to make sure those school boards 

          20             function well.  They didn't do their jobs, 

          21             but the school board has been removed, but 

          22             those individuals are still at the Tweed 

          23             Courthouse getting a salary.  Something is 

          24             wrong with that.

          25                    The CEO of Mr. Gerald Levin, and I'm 


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           2             sure Ms. Terri Thomson, Honorable Steve 

           3             Sanders, I'm sure, you know, that if 

           4             something is wrong with the corporation, you 

           5             do not get rid of the body, you get rid of 

           6             the head.  And until you get rid of certain 

           7             members, and I'm not going to call their 

           8             names, I'm sure you know who they are, those 

           9             individuals who were set to oversee the 

          10             school board, until you get rid of those 

          11             individuals, it's going to be a vicious 

          12             cycle.  It's a cycle that's preparing our 

          13             children. 

          14                    You are saying to us, the high 

          15             schools are so large, we're going to break 

          16             them into three or four or five.  One high 

          17             school.  And yet you're saying the community 

          18             school boards  -- the community districts 

          19             are so small, that we're going to add three 

          20             and four.  Something is wrong with that.  

          21             Let me tell you something, I need to tell 

          22             you, I live in a district  -- I do not live 

          23             in 21.  I live in another district, and if I 

          24             were to say community school board in that 

          25             district, I would have absolutely nothing 


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           2             positive to say about that district, and it 

           3             will remain nameless as of tonight, but when 

           4             I look at district 21, if something works, 

           5             you stick with it.  You use it as a model. 

           6                    The Chancellor is saying we're going 

           7             to keep the 200 best schools.  To me it's 

           8             almost a slap in the face.  The former 

           9             Chancellor was on New York One last night 

          10             and he said, the black and Latino children, 

          11             they are failing.  They are failing.  And so 

          12             the Caucasian and the Chinese children, 

          13             they're excelling.  Now let me ask you,  it 

          14             doesn't take hindsight to figure out where 

          15             those 200 schools are.  You know what I'm 

          16             saying? 

          17                    I'm fortunate enough to have my 

          18             children in district 21 school.  My child in 

          19             an eighth grade class passed a math regents, 

          20             earth science, a Spanish regents.  She no 

          21             longer has to take it now that she's in 

          22             Midwood as a pre-med student there, but what 

          23             about the other students?  I dare to say 

          24             that something is fundamentally wrong with 

          25             our system.  A system that is saying we're 


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           2             building prison cells.  On the fourth grade 

           3             records there's a prison in East New York 

           4             for 10 year old children.  No one talks 

           5             about that.  And you know, I have never been 

           6             a fan of  -- I know my president, 

           7             Mr. Clayton, will probably strangle me at 

           8             this point, because I've never been a fan of 

           9             Mr. Levy, but Mr. Levy has made it so clear 

          10             that there's two different standards in our 

          11             system.  And for some reason, that is 

          12             continued.  That's going on right now.  And 

          13             we need to say if you're going to bring a 

          14             policy board of parents, we cannot allow 110 

          15             Livingston Street or the Tweed Courthouse to 

          16             do the training.  You must get a group like 

          17             United Parents Association to train those 

          18             parents, this way we have professional 

          19             developments for parents.  Otherwise, I need 

          20             to say to you, and I've been telling 

          21             Mr. Clayton this for about five years, that 

          22             I got myself a brand new pair of sneakers, 

          23             I've got myself a pair of sweatpants.  Rosa 

          24             Parks was so tired of standing on December 

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           2             reason as parents, we've been sitting down 

           3             since, but I've been sent above.  Someone 

           4             sent me a message, Denise Gordon, it's time 

           5             for us to march.  We will march. 

           6                    These are our children.  You cannot 

           7             incarcerate them.  That's what's going to 

           8             happen.  Getting rid of the school boards.  

           9             Breaking it up.  What's going on with us?  

          10             And I'm saying to you, the names of all 13 

          11             of you here tonight, the names of all 13 

          12             individuals that sat in this hearing 32 

          13             years ago, happens to be listed in the 

          14             second page in bill number S569087175 of the 

          15             Marching Act in school decentralization, and 

          16             I'm almost guaranteeing that your names will 

          17             be written in another book also. 

          18                    Parents are going to walk.  District 

          19             21 parents are prepared to walk.  We've got 

          20             a good system there.  Let it stay.  Make 

          21             parental involvement a reality.  It's not a 

          22             policy.  Parental involvement, it's a 

          23             process.  It's giving parents a voice.  

          24             Something to identify with.  I'm saying to 

          25             you, we're in major, major trouble, unless 


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           2             we take parental involvement seriously and 

           3             take parents and our children who are our 

           4             investment seriously, otherwise, Clayton, 

           5             I'm sorry, with or without you, my brother, 

           6             I'm going to walk. 

           7                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    Thank you, 

           8             Ms. Gordon.  And I just want to assure you, 

           9             and again, everyone else here, that it is 

          10             the purpose of this task force, it was our 

          11             mandate given in law to recreate parental 

          12             involvement and community representation in 

          13             a way that hopefully will be even better 

          14             than that which has existed.  That's what 

          15             we're listening to you about and that's what 

          16             our purpose is. 

          17                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Did Dorothy 

          18             Ellis return?  Please join us.  Good 

          19             evening.

          20                    MS. ELLIS:   Good afternoon.  My 

          21             name is Dorothy Ellis.  Currently president 

          22             of community school board 23.  I have been a 

          23             community school board member for six and a 

          24             half years, and a school volunteer for 16 

          25             years.  I'm a grandmother of three as their 


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           2             guardian on the public school system. 

           3                    I am hear tonight to speak on behalf 

           4             of parents.  I'm overly concerned about the 

           5             manner in which parents are being programmed 

           6             to represent more or less as a replacement 

           7             of the school board, and that concern 

           8             reaches me because of the fact that the 

           9             school board, the current school board never 

          10             received the proper training.  Therefore, 

          11             the training that they did not receive in 

          12             the area of organizational skills, to meet, 

          13             to be able to work with educators, they did 

          14             not receive administrative instructions.  

          15             They did not receive schools finance in the 

          16             terms and in the manner of working with 

          17             operational management.  And theoretical 

          18             constructions of the bureaucratic design of 

          19             schools. 

          20                    Lacking the knowledge of external 

          21             politics and internal organizational 

          22             constraints under the current law, we have 

          23             to be overly concerned of the responsibility 

          24             that is being pushed at this time, and 

          25             considering the fact that very few people 


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           2             really know the work of the school board.  

           3             Exactly what those responsibilities are.  

           4             What they consist of. 

           5                    I have submitted a paper to you 

           6             relating to those responsibilities and ask 

           7             you to please look at it.  To please observe 

           8             such responsibilities very carefully, 

           9             considering the fact that we now want to 

          10             move this responsibility down to parents at 

          11             the school level.  Parents are working as 

          12             school leadership team, on the school 

          13             leadership team.  They are working with 

          14             teachers who are receiving post-graduate 

          15             training on the school leadership team, and 

          16             within that area, they are learning 

          17             curriculum instructions, finance, school 

          18             law, etcetera. 

          19                    That is absolutely an imbalance.  It 

          20             is a system of imbalance, because of the 

          21             fact that the parents are not receiving that 

          22             type of training.  Because of the fact that 

          23             it is on a post-graduate level, in which a 

          24             large number of parents -- and let me say I 

          25             will speak to the parents on my district and 


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           2             many of the districts that I network with do 

           3             not have the training or the background in 

           4             administrative procedures to work with 

           5             teachers, with supervisors, who are part of 

           6             the school leadership team and receiving 

           7             post-graduate training at Baruch College.  

           8                    This training has been organized by 

           9             the United Teachers Union, and I'm asking 

          10             you to reflect upon the imbalance in 

          11             training and education in which we are at 

          12             this time talking about pushing parents to 

          13             take this responsibility on the school 

          14             level.  I heard recently from Eli Broad of 

          15             the Broad Foundation that public education 

          16             is a key civil rights issue of the 21st 

          17             century. 

          18                    On hearing this thought and the work 

          19             that came behind it, it forced me to give 

          20             serious thought to the program, the plans 

          21             that the Mayor is at this time trying to 

          22             push through on our districts.  We search 

          23             for leadership, outside the box thinking and 

          24             bold determinations can make a clear and 

          25             remarkable difference, if we all are on the 


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           2             same level.  Within that area, if a 

           3             distinction is being made between groups of 

           4             children and the manner that we heard 

           5             yesterday concerning the separation of 

           6             networks of children, relating to those who 

           7             are elite for a better word and for the 

           8             children who are on the failing districts, I 

           9             must say that take a look at this 

          10             classification of children to be set up to 

          11             be educated within the future.  And I am 

          12             asking you, please, do not move within that 

          13             direction. 

          14                    I have worked with high school drop 

          15             outs as a teacher.  Within that area, the 

          16             children were 17 years old, from 17 to 25 

          17             years old who could not read.  Who could not 

          18             do math.  And it didn't take an awful lot to 

          19             help them to be able to overcome that 

          20             barrier.  And I'm asking you to think and to 

          21             realize what I'm opening up to you.  That in 

          22             working with young people 17 to 25 who had 

          23             families, who realized how they had been 

          24             short changed, how they had been 

          25             miseducated, but yet they tried to find 


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           2             their ways back to the classroom, to try to 

           3             remedy their lack of knowledge that they did 

           4             not have because they could not make a 

           5             living. 

           6                    So I'm asking at this time, the 

           7             panel, and I'm asking those that are sole 

           8             assemble, to reflect on education and the 

           9             fact that education means prosperity, and 

          10             that ignorance means poverty.  Thank you 

          11             very much.

          12                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    Thank you very 

          13             much, Ms. Ellis.

          14                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Alice Boles 

          15             Ott, co-president of PS 295 PTA, and she's 

          16             also speaking for PS 107 ans PS 154.

          17                    MS. OTT:    Good evening.  My name is 

          18             Alice Boles Ott, and I am the co-president 

          19             of the PTA, as you said, at PS 295, which is 

          20             on 18th Street and Sixth Avenue in Brooklyn. 

          21                    As you said, I am speaking on behalf 

          22             of the presidents  -- we are a three school 

          23             magnet cluster, PS 107, 154 and 295.  We 

          24             just thought it would be a better use of 

          25             time for us to speak as one. 


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           2                    All three of our schools very luckily 

           3             have principals that encourage the parent 

           4             body to become active and involved in our 

           5             schools.  We have well functioning PTAs, 

           6             productive school leadership teams and we 

           7             participate in the PACs and other district 

           8             committees.  Such parental involvement has 

           9             greatly strengthened and enhanced our own 

          10             individual schools, as well as our 

          11             communities in general. 

          12                    Our three schools, 107, 154 and 295, 

          13             have benefitted from the hard work of 

          14             district 15's community school board and we 

          15             want to publically thank those dedicated 

          16             volunteers and professionals for the 

          17             outstanding work they've done for our 

          18             schools and our communities over the past 

          19             years. 

          20                    So as we approach the coming 

          21             dissolution of community school boards in 

          22             New York City, we wanted to state before 

          23             this legislative task force how important we 

          24             believe it is that an alternative structure 

          25             be developed which would allow parents, 


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           2             guardians and stakeholders to continue to be 

           3             engaged in and involved with their 

           4             children's schools. 

           5                    It's our hope that this legislature 

           6             body will recognize the power of parent 

           7             input and although the format will be 

           8             changing, we hope you develop a viable and 

           9             user friendly structure for parents to 

          10             become involved and stay involved with their 

          11             children's and their community's school. 

          12                    In preparing for this testimony,  we 

          13             PTA presidents discussed the issues being 

          14             considered today.  In addition, we met with 

          15             key members of our community, as well as our 

          16             elected officials.  We came up with the 

          17             following suggestions for this task force to 

          18             consider. 

          19                    School leadership teams have been 

          20             extremely important in our three schools.  

          21             School leadership teams provide a serious, 

          22             thoughtful means for parents to consider the 

          23             academic environment and budgetary decisions 

          24             in our children's schools.  We recommend 

          25             that the school leadership teams be 


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           2             maintained and strengthened by providing 

           3             technical assistance and any other resources 

           4             which enhance the functioning of the school 

           5             leadership teams in our schools. 

           6                    Secondly, provide support and 

           7             resources for the parents through the PTAs.  

           8             For example, translation services for school 

           9             and PTA meetings would be extremely helpful 

          10             so that non-speaking English parents can 

          11             become involved in the schools in an 

          12             informed manner. 

          13                    Another suggestion is to make on site 

          14             technical assistance available to PTAs in 

          15             such areas as fund-raising, accounting bylaw 

          16             development and other basic management for 

          17             PTAs.  This would be extremely helpful to 

          18             the parents, as well as to the school 

          19             administration. 

          20                    Third, we're aware that several 

          21             school districts have district level school 

          22             leadership teams.  Although these district 

          23             level teams are not widely implemented, we 

          24             suggest they be encouraged and strengthened 

          25             so they can function as a vehicle for parent 


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           2             participation. 

           3                    Fourth, we believe it would be wise 

           4             to allow a modest number of publicly 

           5             appointed representatives to join the 

           6             district level leadership teams and the 

           7             school leadership teams.  Publicly appointed 

           8             representatives can bring much needed clout 

           9             and political expertise to these teams, as 

          10             well as a fresh perspective and new energy 

          11             to parent groups. 

          12                    Fifth, assure that community input in 

          13             the selection of supervisory personnel, such 

          14             as superintendents, principals, etcetera.  

          15             For example, the C30 process is maintained 

          16             in law.  Many of us have served on C30 teams 

          17             and we have found that working partnership 

          18             between teachers, administrators, union 

          19             representatives and parents created a 

          20             dynamic environment in which to select or 

          21             recommend a principal or other supervisory 

          22             staff. 

          23                    We believe that strong school parent 

          24             partnerships help to maintain and create 

          25             strong schools.  Only when parents, 


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           2             educators and administrators function in an 

           3             environment of mutual respect and 

           4             cooperation, do our children reach their 

           5             greatest achievements and capacities.  We 

           6             encourage this legislative task force to do 

           7             all in its power to develop a structure 

           8             which will enhance and strengthen parent 

           9             involvement in our New York City school 

          10             system, and we thank you for giving us, PS 

          11             107, PS 154 and 295, the opportunity to 

          12             address this task force and voice our 

          13             concerns and suggestions to you.  If you 

          14             have any questions, I'd be happy to answer 

          15             them.

          16                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    We thank you 

          17             very much for delivering that testimony, 

          18             those recommendations on behalf of yourself 

          19             and the other two schools as well.  It's 

          20             very helpful to us.  We thank you.

          21                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Taneisha 

          22             Pearson, DPAC chairperson.  She had to 

          23             leave.  James Lola, a parent, Taxpayers of 

          24             New York, organization.

          25                    MR. LOLA:    Good evening.  Just for 


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           2             timing here.  When I had to fill out the 

           3             form to register to speak, one of the blanks 

           4             was "title," and the most important title 

           5             real to me for why I'm here is dad, but I 

           6             thought that was a little bit too familiar.  

           7             So I put parent, and when I put in Taxpayers 

           8             of New York, I put a big question mark next 

           9             to it, because I really didn't know what to 

          10             say for my organization, but I am a 

          11             taxpayer, but the question mark didn't make 

          12             it on to the agenda here.  As far as I know, 

          13             there's no official organization Taxpayers 

          14             of New York.  If there is, I apologize for 

          15             forcing myself into membership.

          16                    I am vice president of PS 372 in 

          17             district 15 here in Brooklyn.  But I'm here 

          18             really speaking as a parent and for myself.  

          19             Our education system certainly has been in 

          20             obvious need of help and attention, and I 

          21             thank Mayor Bloomberg for Chancellor Klein 

          22             for taking that need seriously, for 

          23             addressing it so quickly, and for the task 

          24             force for having these hearings.  It's clear 

          25             that they and you have the best intentions 


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           2             to improve the quality of our education and 

           3             the chutzpah to take the steps you feel are 

           4             required.  I started composing my five 

           5             minutes a few days ago and had a number of 

           6             points that I wanted to cover.  I had 

           7             concerns about the geographical 

           8             redistricting of the zones, concerns about 

           9             streamlining operations stuff away from 

          10             education stuff.  Concerns about the need 

          11             for ombudsmen and concerns about fixing 

          12             schools that ain't broke as the Mayor so 

          13             eloquently said in his speech last night.

          14                    Many of my concerns were addressed in 

          15             the Mayor's speech, and I applaud him and 

          16             the Chancellor for trying to be as thorough 

          17             as they can in the scope of where they think 

          18             changes ought to be wrought.  However, I do 

          19             urge the Mayor, the Chancellor and you, the 

          20             task force, to take two points at least into 

          21             account, maybe more if I have enough time. 

          22                    One is that children with special 

          23             needs and their parents  -- and I'm not one, 

          24             so I'm not self-serving here, but that they 

          25             not be left out of the equation in the 


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           2             changes that are to be effected. 

           3                    In the community school boards that 

           4             are soon to be gone, there was no community 

           5             board for district 75, which is the special 

           6             education school district.  That was a 

           7             travesty then.  Not to include this group in 

           8             any new system would be a travesty if that 

           9             happens. 

          10                    And maybe I'm being redundant here, 

          11             but yes, please ensure somehow that parents 

          12             have not only more of a voice.  Everyone's 

          13             been saying we need more of a voice.  Make 

          14             sure we have a voice, but more than a voice, 

          15             we need teeth.  Anybody can speak.  Anybody 

          16             can advise.  Give us some teeth in how 

          17             things are run.  More so than they appear to 

          18             be proposing. 

          19                    What I see now, the parent engagement 

          20             boards, parent coordinators, they're 

          21             advisory positions.  They're advisory 

          22             positions.  Anyone can advise.  Now I grant 

          23             that many of the community school boards 

          24             have been counterproductive or not 

          25             productive, but I submit that there are a 


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           2             number of them -- my own district 15 

           3             included  -- that have helped, that do help 

           4             their local schools achieve a high level of 

           5             excellence, and that by abolishing all of 

           6             the school boards, that you will be fixing 

           7             things that ain't broke. 

           8                    Neither the Chancellor nor any of the 

           9             regional superintendents he's proposing are 

          10             elected officials, and by abolishing elected 

          11             school boards, you'll be taking away the 

          12             community's last resort.  The ability to 

          13             vote powers that be out of power.  If you 

          14             make the school community, the parents of 

          15             our children feel helpless and feel 

          16             powerless, you'll foster resentment and 

          17             disquiet and you'll risk undermining an 

          18             important part of the educational process, 

          19             that education begins at home.  

          20                    Give us an independent education 

          21             office, a body staffed by personnel either 

          22             elected by the community or by community 

          23             members themselves.  A body that when 

          24             necessary, can say, this is wrong.  Fix it.  

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           2             needed.  Make it so.  Or this would be very 

           3             helpful.  Do it. 

           4                    I urge you to please give some 

           5             control back to the communities.  Control, 

           6             not just voice.  Control back to the 

           7             communities.  Especially the communities 

           8             where the children and the schools have been 

           9             thriving.  Please, make it so.  Do it.  

          10             Because one way or another, we parents who 

          11             are concerned and who care, we're going to 

          12             get the control back if we have to.  And it 

          13             would be far better if we do it with 

          14             cooperation rather than by confrontation.  

          15             Thank you.

          16                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:     We thank you 

          17             very much, Mr. Lola.  Thank you for being 

          18             here.

          19                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Carlo 

          20             Scissura, Rosemary Izzo, and Alan Dubrow, 

          21             together.  Who's missing?

          22                    MR. DUBROW:    Carlo.  Mr. Scissura 

          23             had to leave for another meeting.  Good 

          24             evening.  I'm Alan Dubrow.  I'm secretary to 

          25             community school board 20.  I applaud you 


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           2             all for the task you are taking. 

           3                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:     May I interrupt 

           4             you for a moment.  It is getting a little 

           5             noisy, and it's hard for the witnesses to 

           6             hear themselves speak, and hard for us to 

           7             hear what they're saying, so if you do need 

           8             to have conversations, if you can please 

           9             take it outside of the room, we would all 

          10             appreciate it.  Thank you.

          11                    MR. DUBROW:   I did not have a 

          12             prepared text.  Ms. Izzo will read that, but 

          13             just sitting here and listening to all of 

          14             the various communities and people speaking, 

          15             my background, I'm a retired banker.  And I 

          16             retired five years ago, and I decided to 

          17             give back a little bit.  So I ran for the 

          18             school board.  I felt I had something to 

          19             give back. 

          20                    I know budgets.  I know management.  

          21             Etcetera.  Community district 20 is like a 

          22             number of other school boards that here, 

          23             very successful and should really be used as 

          24             a model, as others also are.  But sitting 

          25             here and hearing what's going on and 


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           2             etcetera, and it's true, you're taking away 

           3             a lot of control it seems.  It's amazing 

           4             that any time control is given to the 

           5             community, the powers that be want it back 

           6             for whatever reason, and it's not the right 

           7             thing. 

           8                    Tip O'Neill, I'll use a dirty word in 

           9             politics, but he said all politics is local, 

          10             and it's the same thing.  We all know our 

          11             communities.  We know every little thing 

          12             within the community.  So all I want to say 

          13             is that whatever you decide to do and 

          14             whatever you decide to put in place, it 

          15             should include parents and community 

          16             representatives, and they should be 

          17             independent and they should have a little 

          18             authority and they should be accountable to 

          19             the community.  That's all I want to say.

          20                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Thank you.

          21                    MS. IZZO:    Good evening, 

          22             Mr. Sanders, Ms. Thomson and members of the 

          23             committee.  I just like to give my 

          24             credentials here.  I'm a product of district 

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           2             PTA president.  I'm a former vice president 

           3             of President's Council.  I was one of the 

           4             first members of one of the first district 

           5             leadership teams, which in those days we 

           6             called school base management, shared 

           7             decision making.  I was treasurer, vice 

           8             president and currently proud to be 

           9             president of community school board 20.  I 

          10             chair the parent involvement committee in 

          11             school board 20.  The parent involvement 

          12             committee  -- as chair of the parent 

          13             involvement committee, I have run workshops.  

          14             One of them we had 400 parents at different 

          15             workshops.  I run help sessions for parents.  

          16             I try to get parents involved as much as 

          17             possible, being a parent myself.  And I am a 

          18             proud parent of two graduates of district 20 

          19             school and one current, my daughter is in 

          20             eighth grade in district 20.  So we'll be 

          21             leaving, but hopefully what I've be done 

          22             will not be leaving.  So I will give my 

          23             statement now.

          24                    I'm testifying on behalf of community 

          25             school board 20 in Brooklyn.  We're a large 


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           2             and very involved school district.  Our 

           3             school board represents the various parts of 

           4             our district and includes parents and 

           5             community leaders.  Our sole purpose as 

           6             school board members is to represent the 

           7             needs and concerns of the children and 

           8             parents of our district. 

           9                    As school board members, we were very 

          10             saddened by the legislation designed to 

          11             eliminate our community school board.  We 

          12             are here this evening to urge you to 

          13             continue to allow input by the parents and 

          14             community members in the day-to-day 

          15             management of our children's schools. 

          16                    The needs of each community is 

          17             different.  These needs can only be 

          18             addressed by a local body that is sensitive 

          19             to the needs of the people in that 

          20             community.  Input is necessary from parents 

          21             and community groups including cultural, 

          22             civic and religious groups.  These are the 

          23             groups that are most concerned about the 

          24             successful education of the children in 

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           2             The future of their community. 

           3                    The needs of parents, especially 

           4             Immigrant parents, are best served by local 

           5             representatives, representatives with whom 

           6             the parents of the community are comfortable 

           7             speaking with and contacting.  These 

           8             representatives should be part of the 

           9             community so that they become the eyes and 

          10             ears of the administrators. 

          11                    They should be the people that are in 

          12             the community in the grocery stores, taking 

          13             their children to school  -- I'm sorry, I 

          14             lost my place -- at local civic and 

          15             religious meetings, listening for concerns 

          16             of parents and community members.  They 

          17             should be accessible and familiar to all 

          18             members of the community.  Someone they can 

          19             be comfortable with, just a phone call or 

          20             e-mail away.  These representatives could 

          21             then navigate the system for parent or 

          22             community member, especially the immigrant 

          23             parent, addressing their needs on a more 

          24             immediate and personal level.  After all, 

          25             these parents are entrusting their most 


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           2             prized possessions, their children, to us. 

           3                    School boards should be independent 

           4             bodies, elected not appointed, as to ensure 

           5             their independence from any persons that may 

           6             have appointed them.  The responsibility of 

           7             the school board should be to the children 

           8             and their parents.  The only way in which to 

           9             guarantee this independence is by election.  

          10             Parents should be encouraged to run for a 

          11             position on this new board.  The board, much 

          12             like school leadership teams, should consist 

          13             of a majority of parents.  Community 

          14             leaders, administrators and teachers should 

          15             also be included.  Schools could be grouped 

          16             and one parent elected from each group of 

          17             schools to ensure representation from all 

          18             schools. 

          19                    The election should coincide with the 

          20             November election ensuring voter turn out.  

          21             Parent representatives could be selected 

          22             with the separate ballot for each grouping 

          23             of schools.  Parents that are not registered 

          24             voters should be allowed to vote for their 

          25             parent representative.  Community candidates 


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           2             should be placed on the general ballot.  

           3             Administrators and teachers should be 

           4             elected from their local constituencies.  

           5             After the election, the remainder of the 

           6             school year should be used for mandatory 

           7             training and mentoring of the newly elected 

           8             representatives.  Term limits should be 

           9             placed on these positions. 

          10                    The responsibilities of these 

          11             representatives should include meeting 

          12             monthly with the superintendent in order to 

          13             get updates and to be able to voice their 

          14             concerns of their constituencies.  The 

          15             superintendent should be accountable to 

          16             these elected representatives.  The 

          17             representatives should be accountable to 

          18             their constituencies giving monthly updates, 

          19             reports and general information.  The 

          20             community representatives should schedule 

          21             meeting for community organizations, 

          22             teachers and administrative representatives 

          23             might want to distribute a monthly 

          24             newsletter with some opportunity for 

          25             feedback and parental representatives should 


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           2             schedule meetings in either their individual 

           3             schools or for their groups of schools.  At 

           4             these meetings, information could be 

           5             disseminated, like test scores, new 

           6             initiatives, new appointments and concerns 

           7             could be addressed. 

           8                    Participation by parents and 

           9             community members at the local community 

          10             level is essential to the well being of our 

          11             schools.  Schools are not institutions, they 

          12             are the very places that we entrust our 

          13             children for six to eight hours each day.  

          14             Who better to be the guardians of our 

          15             children, but their parents and community 

          16             members that genuinely care about them?  Do 

          17             not entrust them to a massive, far away 

          18             bureaucracy that only knows them as a 

          19             statistic. 

          20                    And just let me say one more thing.  

          21             I do have, as I said, three children at 

          22             home, and I put aside in all of these years 

          23             a lot of time with my own children to serve 

          24             the needs of the children in district 20, 

          25             and it saddens me to think that all of that 


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           2             would go for nothing.  And I hope that when 

           3             you decide on what committee is going to 

           4             represent the parents, you remember all of 

           5             the hard work of parents like me and all the 

           6             time that we have put in and all the time I 

           7             have taken away from my own children to be 

           8             part of the system.  Thank you.

           9                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    Well, we thank 

          10             you both.  And Ms. Izzo, we honor your 

          11             service as president of community school 

          12             board 20, and we certainly hear your 

          13             arguments and your suggestions and take them 

          14             to heart.  Thank you.

          15                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    We now have a 

          16             panel from community school board 13.  

          17             Audrey Jackman-Wesson, Richard Daniel, Kiney 

          18             Corbett,  Hyacinth Graham, Joyline Tomlin.  

          19             Good evening.

          20                    MS. TOMLIN:    Good evening, task 

          21             force.  My name is Joyline Tomlin.  I am 

          22             president of the PTA middle school 117 in 

          23             district 13, and I truly have a vested 

          24             interest in what comes out of what you are 

          25             about to do, because I do have three 


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           2             children in the schools.  I have one in 

           3             elementary, one in junior high school and 

           4             one in high school.  So whatever your 

           5             determination is here, I truly have a vested 

           6             interest, because I love my children and I 

           7             want the best for them.  So I am pretty much 

           8             speaking from a parents' point of view, and 

           9             also I represent the parents at middle 

          10             school 117. 

          11                    My Lord, Jesus Christ, I'm just going 

          12             to bring that in in the beginning, he gave 

          13             me a charge to train up a child in the way 

          14             they should go, so that when they're old 

          15             they will not depart from it, and I take 

          16             that charge seriously in training up my 

          17             children, and I know this governance 

          18             committee must decide on what form or model 

          19             that the new school boards or leadership 

          20             teams must re-shape our education. 

          21                    And it is really my determination 

          22             that more harm than good will come to a 

          23             child if their parent, guardian or primary 

          24             caregiver who wakes them in the morning, 

          25             sends them to school in the morning, raises 


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           2             them, nurtures them, dwells with them, feeds 

           3             them, shelters them, listens to them, 

           4             responds to them on an intimate and daily 

           5             basis, is excluded from the decision-making 

           6             process. 

           7                    We are our children's first teachers.  

           8             We know what we want for our children, and 

           9             if -- you cannot leave us out of the 

          10             decision-making process.  Now, I am also on 

          11             the school leadership team at 117 and I have 

          12             had a positive experience being on the 

          13             school leadership team.  Last year I was 

          14             vice president, and when I went into 117, I 

          15             was not happy with the way the school was 

          16             going.  I joined the school leadership team 

          17             and I came up with a plan on what the school 

          18             should actually do as far as the different 

          19             academies that they have in that school.

          20                    I said such such and such needs to 

          21             take place.  It couldn't be implemented at 

          22             that particular time, but the next year when 

          23             I came back, I was happy with the principal 

          24             had done, because he let me know that what I 

          25             had said did not fall on deaf ears.  That he 


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           2             did listen to me, because I drove it every 

           3             time I went a leadership team meeting, that 

           4             this needs to take place for the school, 

           5             because my child is in the school.  He did 

           6             not want to go to that school, but I let him 

           7             know that I'm going to be there for him, and 

           8             I joined the PTA, and something positive 

           9             came out of being on the leadership team. 

          10                    I'm not saying that the school is 

          11             perfectly by any long shot, but my decision 

          12             and my input in that school really helped 

          13             that school along for this year.  It has a 

          14             long way to go, but at least I had a voice 

          15             in what the school did as far as their CEP 

          16             plan and everything, and I don't want that 

          17             power to be taken away from me. 

          18                    Also, as a parent, I don't want to be 

          19             a silent partner.  I want my decision to be 

          20             accountable.  I want it to be made that when 

          21             decisions are made, and I say that I want 

          22             something done in my school, I don't want it 

          23             to fall on deaf ears.  As the principal 

          24             listened to me, I want to make sure that 

          25             what I say, they actually listen to and it 


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           2             actually counts, and that my vote actually 

           3             counts.  I want my vote to count. 

           4                    I don't want them to put something in 

           5             place and then a year later I'm sitting in a 

           6             meeting and I'm putting all my effort and 

           7             taking all my time out, and then the 

           8             decisions that we make in that leadership 

           9             team or whatever team that it's called, that 

          10             later on that year, nothing ever comes of 

          11             it.  I want to make sure my voice is heard 

          12             and that my voice actually counts. 

          13                    I pay my tax dollars and I want a say 

          14             in the budget and how it's spent, because my 

          15             child's needs are not same as other 

          16             children's needs.  I want to make sure that 

          17             my child's needs are met and that the other 

          18             parents in that school child's needs are 

          19             also met.  So those tax dollars that I pay, 

          20             must go into back into the schools. 

          21                    The New York City has about a 12 

          22             billion dollar budget, and I want to make 

          23             sure that every dollar goes into the 

          24             education of my child and to the education 

          25             of all New York City child.  I don't want 


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           2             that money to pad anyone's pocket.  I 

           3             sometimes think less is more.  Less in their 

           4             pocket, more in my child's mind.  More in my 

           5             child's mind.  More in the school.  Less is 

           6             more.  Less in class sizes.  Larger school 

           7             districts are not an option to me.  Less is 

           8             more.  Smaller school district, if possible, 

           9             is a better recourse than larger, because 

          10             when you become larger, you become more 

          11             manageable. 

          12                    They could have chose 50 people to be 

          13             on a task force, but that would not have 

          14             been manageable.  Now they're making 10 

          15             districts instead of the 36 or 32 we have, 

          16             that also is going to be more  -- less 

          17             manageable. 

          18                    I just have one other thing to say.

          19                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Briefly.

          20                    MS. TOMLIN:    I have one other 

          21             thing to say.  We have to revitalize our 

          22             community and not just inhabitants in there.  

          23             It has to be a community effort and parent 

          24             involvement has to be much broader and 

          25             parent training must be included in your 


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           2             decision making.  Thank you.

           3                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    Thank you very 

           4             much.

           5                    MS. JACKMAN-WESSON:    Good evening, 

           6             panel.  My name is Audrey Jackman-Wesson.  I 

           7             am the president of community school board 

           8             13.  You have our collaborative statement 

           9             that we submitted.  I'm not going to go over 

          10             that, but what I want to do is touch on some 

          11             things that I think that maybe you haven't 

          12             heard. 

          13                    My biggest concern with the schools 

          14             is that teachers hired and never trained.  

          15             You wouldn't want a doctor to perform 

          16             surgery on you whose never had any kind of 

          17             experience, and that's what we did do with 

          18             our children.  This is one of the reasons 

          19             why I feel the New York City public school 

          20             system is in somewhat of a shambles when it 

          21             comes to education and children reading.

          22                    Teachers are put in a classroom cold.  

          23             They're given a class.  They have no 

          24             experience in how to run that class. They're 

          25             given minimal supplies.  And these things 


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           2             need to be written into somewhere in the 

           3             language of the legislation that teachers 

           4             need to be trained.  They need to have six 

           5             months of training in a classroom before 

           6             they are able to take over a classroom or 

           7             some kind of mentorship program. 

           8                    I did not see that in the Mayor's 

           9             announcement today.  He did touch on 

          10             mentorship, but I feel that you shouldn't 

          11             have a person in the classroom with 23, 32, 

          12             36 minds sitting up there and don't know how 

          13             to control it or even excite these minds. 

          14             But I'm going to read something from the 

          15             collaborative statement that we have. 

          16                    And I am a parent.  I'm a parent of 

          17             two children, one who happens to be a 

          18             handicapped child.  And my passion is for 

          19             children.  Most of the people in district 

          20             13's passion is for their children, and our 

          21             board consists of parents, not political 

          22             clonees or people selected by political club 

          23             to sit on the board. 

          24                    Our school children are not customers 

          25             or workers, they're children.  Children 


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           2             should be recipients of quality education.  

           3             They need to be nurtured, guided, protected 

           4             from the corporate monsters that lack 

           5             experience and qualification of what it is 

           6             to be a master educator.  Educational 

           7             schools of learning cannot function like 

           8             corporate facilities.  Each school community 

           9             must address the needs of its population.  

          10             The diversity of each community makes 

          11             educational process some special and unique 

          12             situation.  One shoe does not fit all. 

          13                    The concerned parents of district 13 

          14             would like to know where's the Mayor and 

          15             Chancellor's Comprehensive Educational Plan?  

          16             Parents need to have a direct input into the 

          17             decision making of their school regarding 

          18             hiring the principal, superintendent, staff 

          19             and the overall operations of the school.  

          20             Public hearings on any school proposal, 

          21             capital plan, comprehensive educational 

          22             plan, must be maintained and open to the 

          23             public. 

          24                    Language in the new legislation must 

          25             ensure that the Chancellor will maintain a 


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           2             collaborative and responsive relationship 

           3             with the local school districts.  Parental 

           4             involvement in electorial process of the 

           5             schools represent and afforded people who 

           6             were not citizens under the decentralization 

           7             law to vote.  The election of board members 

           8             gave political equity to parents to select 

           9             their educational representative.  We 

          10             suggest that those elected officials be 

          11             parents of children in the community. 

          12                    Parents must maintain an electorial 

          13             vote voting right, not just any old function 

          14             of advisory or  -- I forgot  -- enhancement.  

          15             I forgot what the Mayor had said, but that 

          16             to me is a lot of hogwash.  Despite the 

          17             composition or merge of districts, because 

          18             for me, I'm not going anywhere.  I'm a 

          19             parent, and whether there be a school board 

          20             tomorrow, I'm still going to be here.  I'm 

          21             not disappearing. 

          22                    But we urge the task force to 

          23             consider our recommendations very seriously 

          24             and to take what we have submitted in terms 

          25             of some of the accomplishments that district 


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           2             13 has done under consideration and use it 

           3             in the city plan.  Thank you.

           4                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    We thank you. 

           5                    MS. CORBETT:   Good evening, 

           6             everyone.  My name is Kiney Corbett.  I'm a 

           7             parent of district 13 and I'm basically just 

           8             going to brief as I could, kind of reiterate 

           9             basically what you have heard all evening.  

          10             That I won't do.  I'll just basically say 

          11             that as a parent, I'm a strong advocate of 

          12             public education.  I know it works.  I have 

          13             been a product of the public education.  My 

          14             mother was a teacher in the public school 

          15             system for over 38 years, so I know the 

          16             public school system works.  I know it can 

          17             work. 

          18                    I guess my only thing, my only 

          19             concern is to separate the districts and 

          20             narrow down the -- eliminate, without having 

          21             parental input, in that very component would 

          22             be totally disastrous.  I mean, I'm not 

          23             going to hold up your time any longer.  I'm 

          24             very passionate about it.  We can talk about 

          25             it all night long and we have been.  We've 


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           2             been talking about it collectively behind 

           3             closed doors, in front of closed doors.  The 

           4             decision has to be and the parents have to 

           5             be involved in that component.  That's like 

           6             taking children out of school.  There's no 

           7             way you can do that.

           8                    So again, I'm trusting people that I 

           9             don't even know, to hope that you will 

          10             advocate for us as parents to make sure that 

          11             everything is done in the right manner, 

          12             please.

          13                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Thank you.

          14                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    We thank you 

          15             very much. 

          16                    MR. DANIEL:    Good evening.  My name 

          17             is Richard Daniel.  I'm a school board 

          18             member in district 13.  Last year's 

          19             president.  And I'm appalled that the Mayor 

          20             would refer to us as dinosaurs.  I didn't 

          21             come to sit on this board through some 

          22             political office, or you know, with any 

          23             outside agenda.  I came through as a PTA 

          24             volunteer back in the '80s.  I've been 

          25             through three superintendents in this 


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           2             district.  See, and something that he would 

           3             never understand, I'm a volunteer.  I 

           4             haven't been paid.  I drive a bus for the 

           5             city, and I do that every day.  I do that -- 

           6             I was doing it every night, and in my 

           7             schools as PTA presidents, for years and 

           8             years.  Years that he wouldn't know anything 

           9             about where he didn't even care about our 

          10             children. 

          11                    You know, we all agree that there 

          12             needs to be change, you understand, and he's 

          13             come up with a lot of good sound bites.  And 

          14             I thought hard and long, you know.  I mean, 

          15             where are test pilots for this big plan that 

          16             he has.  I mean, you just take out one 

          17             million school children and just say hey, 

          18             I'm going to try it, and if it don't work, 

          19             don't vote for me, and if it don't work, it 

          20             will take 25 years for us to straighten it 

          21             back out. 

          22                    We're not saying that the system is 

          23             perfect.  Since 1996, these school boards 

          24             have not controlled the budgets.  They have 

          25             not controlled the hiring.  We are not 


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           2             responsible for the failure of the children, 

           3             see, and he's written that off and convinced 

           4             the city that this bureaucracy, you know, 

           5             that they pay me $125 a month, and that's 

           6             not even the car fare that covers for the 

           7             meetings that I attend. 

           8                    See, I'm a little, you know, I'm a 

           9             little upset about the whole situation.  

          10             Like I said, we're not afraid of change.  I 

          11             put three children completely through 

          12             district 13.  I have a daughter that's in 

          13             the sixth grade.  So long after the Mayor's 

          14             gone, I'll still be here.  See, send him 

          15             that message.  Parents, we are parents on 

          16             this board now.  The bureaucrats  left when 

          17             you stripped them of their powers in '96.  

          18             They left.  They didn't want no more parts 

          19             of it.  A lot of them are now in the 

          20             Assembly.  A lot of them are on the City 

          21             Council.  A lot of them are Senators.  You 

          22             know, Jimmy Carter became president of the 

          23             United States. 

          24                    You know, there's no more games here.  

          25             We're not playing games.  We as parents are 


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           2             serious.  The part of the piece that I 

           3             submitted, centralization in New York City 

           4             failed because it became a process that left 

           5             out the very people that it served, the 

           6             minorities.  When I went to school here -- 

           7             I'm a product of the public school system, 

           8             and I never saw a person of color as a 

           9             superintendent or anything like that when I 

          10             went to school in the '60s.  I'm not saying 

          11             there weren't none, I'm just saying that in 

          12             the district where I attended, 32, at that 

          13             time, there were none. 

          14                    You know, decentralization failed 

          15             because it came a patronage mill for 

          16             corruption and political wannabees.  School 

          17             boards were used as springboards for 

          18             political offices with no regard to 

          19             children, see, and we've all seen it, you 

          20             know, and we've all been mad about, and I'm 

          21             not saying it should  -- but there are some 

          22             inalienable rights that communities and 

          23             parents have.  We have the right to choose 

          24             our educational leaders.  We have a right to 

          25             sit at the table when they're being 


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           2             selected.  We have the right right now 

           3             currently, or before July 1, the school 

           4             board, we select five potential candidates 

           5             that we can live with and submit to the 

           6             Chancellor and he selected one from that.  

           7             Where is the corruption in that?  And they 

           8             stripped us down to now the Chancellor 

           9             selects the superintendents.  The 

          10             superintendents now select the principals.  

          11             And I don't hear C30 process.  I don't hear 

          12             any of this, you know, as duties.  Thank you 

          13             very much.  We don't have the right to 

          14             select.  We don't have the right to evaluate 

          15             our superintendent.  We just take whoever we 

          16             get and accept whatever he puts down and 

          17             that's of it. 

          18                    This is not the only city in America 

          19             that their children are less than 40 percent 

          20             reading on or above grade level.  I don't 

          21             see a great cure.  I don't see the Mayor's 

          22             plan as 100 percent, and I hate to see the 

          23             recourse, the only recourse we have as 

          24             parents is don't vote for him at the end of 

          25             his term.  Thank you very much.


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           2                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    Thank you.

           3                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Thank you.

           4                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    We thank you all 

           5             very much, and we certainly thank district 

           6             13 board members.

           7                    AUDIENCE MEMBER:   Excuse me, sir, I 

           8             just wanted to say, is my name on that list?

           9                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    What is your 

          10             name?

          11                    AUDIENCE MEMBER:    Kamela Payne.  

          12             I'm a parent.

          13                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Yes, you're 

          14             here.  Did you fill out your card?

          15                    AUDIENCE MEMBER:    I didn't recall 

          16             getting a card.

          17                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    We're not up 

          18             to your name yet, but if you haven't filled 

          19             out a card like this, please register at the 

          20             desk.

          21                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    Let me make the 

          22             announcement again I made a couple times 

          23             today.  For those of you who pre-registered 

          24             several days ago or several weeks ago, you 

          25             still need to fill out a card.  If you came 


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           2             in here and are expecting to speak, we don't 

           3             know you're here unless you filled out a 

           4             card.  So if there's anyone else in this 

           5             room who hasn't, please do so. 

           6                    For those people who did not 

           7             pre-register and still want to speak 

           8             tonight, we have a very full schedule.  We 

           9             have told all of those individuals that if 

          10             there is still time between now and 

          11             midnight, we'll get to as many people who 

          12             appeared today to speak.  We'll do our very 

          13             best, but in order to speak, you need to 

          14             have filled out a card behind the back of 

          15             this auditorium, and I see there are some 

          16             children in the room.  Is there anyone here 

          17             scheduled to speak who has children with 

          18             them now?  You have young children with you 

          19             here?

          20                    MS. SANCHEZ:    They're out in the 

          21             bus.

          22                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    What is your 

          23             name?

          24                    MS. SANCHEZ:    Cynthia Sanchez. 

          25                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Did you fill 


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           2             out a card?

           3                    MS. SANCHEZ:    Yes, I did.

           4                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    What we'll 

           5             do -- okay.  I think what we're going to do, 

           6             because we don't want you to stay here until 

           7             midnight.  Your card is in here, but you 

           8             were scheduled to speak after everyone else.  

           9             So I'll ask you to just come up for perhaps 

          10             two minutes to speak so that you can get 

          11             home.

          12                    MS. SANCHEZ:    Thank you very much. 

          13                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    We'll take 

          14             you, Ms. Sanchez.  Then we'll go to the 

          15             group from Queens Bridge Community in 

          16             Action, and then we'll take the mother with 

          17             the three children there.

          18                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Again, if you 

          19             can just be considerate and be brief.

          20                    MS. SANCHEZ:    Okay.  My name is 

          21             Cynthia Sanchez, and I'm from district 21.  

          22             I'm a mother of six wonderful kids who are 

          23             and was in the New York City Board of 

          24             Education system.  I'd like to speak of how 

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           2             have had with the system across the 28 

           3             years. 

           4                    I'm against school boards totally.  

           5             They have done nothing to aid the parents in 

           6             the black, Latino, poor and low income 

           7             minority neighborhoods.  They have been 

           8             political and principally ran.  Peoples are 

           9             still on the board for the personal 

          10             interests rather than the issues that should 

          11             be at concern.  They know nothing about the 

          12             children. 

          13                    Parents should be should be allowed 

          14             to have more input in the education of their 

          15             child.  I would say, when a child sees his 

          16             or her parent involved in his or her 

          17             education, it brings the child self-esteem 

          18             to the highest potential it possibly can.  I 

          19             see that with my own kids.  Keep corrupt 

          20             politics out of the school and allow parents 

          21             to have more say in the decision making in 

          22             the education system of our children. 

          23                    Now what happened to our district 75 

          24             in Orchard schools, which got no attention?  

          25             Let's not continue to play politics 


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           2             bureaucracy, because we really know who are 

           3             the licks lacks, the black and Latino and 

           4             low and middle class people.  I'm here to 

           5             say, school board really doesn't help here.  

           6             Parents know their child.  Parents know 

           7             their kids, because we live with them, and 

           8             when we do continue to elect people who 

           9             doesn't know our children, we don't have 

          10             children's interests. 

          11                    Let me leave you with this, it takes 

          12             a parent with the help of a concerned 

          13             community, neighborhood and you, to make our 

          14             system work.  I'm tired of going to people 

          15             who say doesn't support, doesn't support me 

          16             at all.  Only thing they say to me is when I 

          17             need their help is, your child have a 

          18             behavioral problem or your child is not in 

          19             this district. 

          20                    I can't find any representation at 

          21             all from school boards.

          22                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Ms. Sanchez, 

          23             you have to wrap it up now, okay?

          24                    MS. SANCHEZ:    Okay.  I will.  And 

          25             I got to say successfully, that I have three 


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           2             children who has done very well with parent 

           3             involvement, because I am their parent.

           4                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Thank you very 

           5             much.  The Queens Bridge Community in 

           6             Action, Maria Dilworth, Yvette Grissom, 

           7             Rolando Bini.

           8                    MR. BINI:    Good evening.  My name 

           9             is Rolando Bini, Queens Bridge Community in 

          10             Action in District 30, and we are part of 

          11             the Parent Organizing Consortium.  I am a 

          12             Latino Immigrant who has a 10 year old boy 

          13             who I am home-schooling, since I consider 

          14             that at present, public schools in New York 

          15             not only do not educate our children, but 

          16             place them in grave danger.  Of course, with 

          17             the new leadership of Chancellor Klein, the 

          18             Mayor and the legislature, I pray that those 

          19             conditions will change, so I can have my son 

          20             back in the school. 

          21                    I think that the changes the 

          22             Chancellor Klein is making are very positive 

          23             steps in the right direction and he should 

          24             get credit for that.  But it's still more 

          25             needs to be done.  I will point areas where 


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           2             radical change is missing. 

           3                    The school leadership teams need to 

           4             be revamped.  If the school governance is a 

           5             building, then the school leadership teams 

           6             are the base of that building.  If the base 

           7             is faulty, sooner or later, the building 

           8             will crumble.  Keeping the status quo of the 

           9             present school leader teams would be 

          10             self-defeating.  At present, the principal 

          11             controls most of the school leadership 

          12             teams.  In some schools, parents have been 

          13             appointed by the principal.  The schools are 

          14             part of the community, not foreign, isolated 

          15             entities, and parents need the help of the 

          16             rest of the community. 

          17                    At present, parents in the school 

          18             leadership teams are no match to the sharks 

          19             who control the school.  The principal, the 

          20             school guidance counselors and the teachers.  

          21             The school leadership teams must contain 

          22             community members in order to be a natural, 

          23             organic, productive, living entity.  There 

          24             are plenty of community members who can be a 

          25             valuable contribution to the school 


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           2             leadership teams, grandparents, church 

           3             leaders, retired people, community-based 

           4             organizers, and they have the skills to 

           5             challenge the abusers of the local school 

           6             bureaucrats. 

           7                    Here is my ideal school leadership 

           8             team.  It has three components.  The parent 

           9             component, the school component and the 

          10             community members component.  The first 

          11             part, the parents, they should be seven 

          12             parents.  Of course, elected by the parents.  

          13             The school component should have seven 

          14             members.  The principal, plus four school 

          15             bureaucrats, for a total of five, and there 

          16             should be two students who should be elected 

          17             by the students themselves.  They should 

          18             have a voice in their own education.  It's 

          19             very important the student part.

          20                    Also we need the community and there 

          21             should be three community members who have 

          22             no children in the schools.  We cannot 

          23             dislocate and break up the parent from the 

          24             rest of the community.  This is part of the 

          25             strategy of divide and conquer.  This chair 


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           2             of the school leadership team must be a 

           3             parent.  The principal should be barred from 

           4             that position.  A lot of the school 

           5             leadership teams have at present the 

           6             principal as the chair.  He has already too 

           7             much power.

           8                    We need to have elections on all the 

           9             parent association and the school leadership 

          10             teams and make sure that the vote counting 

          11             is monitored and open to scrutiny by anyone.  

          12             Make sure that the school leadership team 

          13             are renewed yearly.  A school that have a 

          14             significant percentage of parents with 

          15             language other than English must provide 

          16             translations to all meetings and elections. 

          17                    Last, we need to enforce a real 

          18             parent involved policy.  Open the classroom 

          19             to the parents.  Taking into consideration 

          20             safety issues and I think that every parent 

          21             should have a photo ID provided by the 

          22             school.  Parents should be welcomed in the 

          23             classroom at any time at their pleasure.  

          24             There should be a protocol, of course, how 

          25             they should behave into the school and in 


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           2             the classroom, but schools are part of the 

           3             community, they are not prisons.  The parent 

           4             present in the classroom will provide 

           5             accountability not only of the teachers, but 

           6             also of the school personnel.  Open the 

           7             classroom to the parents and you will have a 

           8             win win situation. 

           9                    Parents should be seen as a resource, 

          10             not as the enemy.  At present, the open 

          11             school policy is a joke.  Allowing parents 

          12             to visit the classroom one day a year for a 

          13             window dressing purposes. 

          14                    I want to read briefly the six points 

          15             principals of the school governance that the 

          16             Parent Organizing Consortium have drafted.

          17                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    Mr. Bini, let me 

          18             just say this, because time is running very 

          19             short, we have the document.  It will be 

          20             entered into the record.

          21                    MR. BINI:    Thank you.

          22                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:     I assure you 

          23             the fact you're not reading it, it will 

          24             still be in the record.

          25                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    As long as 


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           2             it's written testimony, it's in the record.  

           3             I would just ask that you be brief.  We have 

           4             so many people that want to speak tonight, 

           5             and we have to be out of the building by 

           6             midnight.

           7                    MS. DILWORTH:   Good evening.  My 

           8             name is Maria Dilworth.  I'm a member of the 

           9             Parent Organizing Consortium, and I'm a 

          10             member of Cypress Hills Advocates for 

          11             Education.  There was a mix up with the 

          12             registration.  There's a woman on the 

          13             registered registration, Darma Diaz.  I was 

          14             also registered with her on one card.  And I 

          15             guess her name went on.  She couldn't come.  

          16             I could come and my name wasn't on.  So I'm 

          17             sorry about the mix up on that.

          18                    My testimony is on the importance of 

          19             parents participation in school governance.  

          20             The need for better communication with 

          21             parents and the need for access to 

          22             information about our schools.  The POC, of 

          23             which CHAFE is a member, believes that the 

          24             best way for parents to have a say in the 

          25             education of their children is to have 


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           2             school leadership team with real democracy, 

           3             accountability, and power.  That is what we 

           4             should have in place of the soon to be 

           5             defunct community school boards. 

           6                    In order to maximize parent 

           7             participation, we must be able to get 

           8             information to all public school parents 

           9             about the SLTs.  Most of the information I 

          10             have on SLTs comes from the ads on the 

          11             subway and from CHAFE.  My daughter's 

          12             schools use children as messengers and 

          13             parents often don't get information about 

          14             SLTs.  As a result, some SLTs have a hard 

          15             time getting and keeping members.  I know of 

          16             one person who was asked to be on an SLT by 

          17             a PTA president because they had a spot 

          18             available and wanted to fill it. 

          19                    We wanted SLTs to be regulated so 

          20             they are democratically elected, not 

          21             appointed.  The POC proposal addresses these 

          22             weaknesses.  We believe that the schools 

          23             should send parents information on the SLTs 

          24             by mail.  Part-time staff people should be 

          25             available to support SLTs by doing the labor 


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           2             intensive work of outreach, recruitment and 

           3             retaining SLT members.  Information about 

           4             SLT should include what they are, what they 

           5             do, how to run for election to one at your 

           6             child's school. 

           7                    The meeting schedule for the SLT 

           8             should be sent by mail to all parents with a 

           9             child in the school.  All parents with 

          10             children in the school must be sent 

          11             information by mail about how to run for a 

          12             seat on the SLT at least 90 days before the 

          13             election.  SLT elections should be held 

          14             annually.  They should also be widely 

          15             publicized by mail at least 30 days in 

          16             advance and once elected, all SLT team 

          17             members should be required to attend SLT 

          18             training. 

          19                    Parents should have a voting majority 

          20             on the SLTs and this way parents can have a 

          21             real say in what goes on in their child's 

          22             school.

          23                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Could I ask 

          24             you to just shorten your testimony a bit.  

          25             We do have the written copy and we will read 


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           2             it, I promise you.

           3                    MS. DILWORTH:    Okay.  In closing, 

           4             I just want to say that the Parent 

           5             Organizing Consortium wants for our school 

           6             SLTs democracy, accountability and power.  

           7             That is what we'd like.

           8                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Thank you.

           9                    MS. GRISSOM:    My name is Yvette 

          10             Grissom, and I'm speaking on behalf of the 

          11             POC and I'm from Queens Bridge Community in 

          12             Action.  And I'm also a parent of a child in 

          13             a district 30 school.  I will not go over a 

          14             lot of the things that my colleagues just 

          15             said and that you have in the record, but 

          16             some things we still have to say. 

          17                    As we all know, the most sweeping 

          18             reforms in 30 years are being made this 

          19             school year, and although many of them are 

          20             very necessary for a system that has seemed 

          21             to be broken and dysfunctional in parts for 

          22             quite sometime, we at the POC have come up 

          23             with the school governance platform for 

          24             which you already just heard about.  We 

          25             cannot continue to present our 


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           2             recommendations without addressing Mayor 

           3             Bloomberg's and Chancellor Klein's new 

           4             school plans. 

           5                    The POC is glad to see that parts of 

           6             the school governance platform are being 

           7             addressed in these new plans, such as the 

           8             new governance structure must include strong 

           9             and adequate parent representation at the 

          10             school and district level.  Parents should 

          11             hold the majority of the seats and 

          12             representative and all elected bodies.  

          13             Large school districts should be made 

          14             smaller and consistent with neighborhood 

          15             boundaries. 

          16                    Although these are great first steps 

          17             in the overhaul of the New York City public 

          18             school system, there are still many areas 

          19             which have not been addressed, such as the 

          20             failure of Mayor Bloomberg's plan to address 

          21             the governance issue at the local school 

          22             level, mainly the needed reforms of the 

          23             school leadership teams. 

          24                    If adopted, how will parent 

          25             engagement boards be held accountable to the 


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           2             communities they serve?  What will be their 

           3             powers?  Since we know the previous 

           4             community school boards did not have many.  

           5             And when and where will public forums be 

           6             held, so that parents have a public space to 

           7             voice their concerns? 

           8                    We are also certainly hoping that the 

           9             Mayor and the Chancellor will instruct 

          10             school level staff persons to work closely 

          11             and cooperatively with community 

          12             organizations.  We understand that the job 

          13             before this task force is a huge one, given 

          14             the size of the New York City public school 

          15             system and population.  We hope that the 

          16             recommendations of the POC will continue to 

          17             be considered and implemented as the final 

          18             recommendation are made.  Thank you.

          19                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Thank you very 

          20             much.  Amy Wu and family.

          21                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    We will have to 

          22             limit the people who didn't sign up in 

          23             advance to only two or three minutes.  We're 

          24             sorry to limit you that way, but it's the 

          25             only way we can get through this evening.


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           2                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Please sit 

           3             down.

           4                    MS. WU:    Thank you for your 

           5             consideration.  Good evening, task force 

           6             panel.  Loving parents, dedicated teachers, 

           7             precious students, caring community members.  

           8             A pay homage to the men and women who died 

           9             at 9-11.  To them I dedicate my poem with a 

          10             heavy heart.  I'm sure many of you feel the 

          11             same way about our school system.  What is 

          12             going on?  Carse and Burke said, time is 

          13             like a coin.  If you do know how to spend 

          14             it, someone else will spend it for you.  I 

          15             know what I want.  I want all children in 

          16             American public school to be guaranteed the 

          17             liberty for the pursuit of excellence in 

          18             academics and character within a kind and 

          19             respectful, safe and healthy environment. 

          20                    Life is short and precious.  There is 

          21             a population targeted to receive the 

          22             hand-me-downs in the pits.  I refuse to be 

          23             tracked and trapped into prison.  I refuse 

          24             to be hunted down by cops and gangs.  Dr. 

          25             King believed that -- it was mentioned 


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           2             already -- justice denied to any race is 

           3             injustice to the whole human race.  Let us 

           4             take the responsibility to raise them. 

           5                    MS. WU's CHILD:  To parents, to my 

           6             dear folks.  Let's walk down the memory 

           7             lane.  You tell me when I came along into 

           8             this world it was the best living thing in 

           9             your life.  You please always treasure me as 

          10             you did when I was a new born.  Love me 

          11             always.  You are my first teacher.  You 

          12             raised me to respect you and others.  You 

          13             talked to me like I was the most precious 

          14             thing on the world.  Am I still?

          15                    MS. WU:    To teachers, what type of 

          16             teacher are you?  What do you plan to teach 

          17             me?  Would you teach me true knowledge and 

          18             true history at the risk of losing your job?  

          19             Would you allow me to steal?  To curse?  To 

          20             hit?  To kick and jump on my peers?  Now 

          21             fighting the status quo helps perpetuating 

          22             it.  I want to make this world a better 

          23             world.  You can help me realize it.  Let me 

          24             shine. 

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           2             Everyone seems to be looking the other way.  

           3             Teachers and even you, my folks, you see 

           4             not, you hear not and speak not.  You do not 

           5             understand what I see daily.  Please do 

           6             something meaningful for my life.  Am I not 

           7             your future?  Don't I count?  Fight for an 

           8             excellent education for me.  I deserve 

           9             better.  I am your child.  Stop living in 

          10             fear.  Nothing ever changes with taking 

          11             risks.

          12                    Learn from history in order to stop 

          13             the destruction.  To walk the walk, we need 

          14             to take a stand.  We may fold our hands, 

          15             turn our back, point fingers and do nothing 

          16             or we can make our voices heard, be counted 

          17             and make history.  It took one person, Rosa 

          18             Parks.  She saw the needs of fight racism at 

          19             the risk of being shot on the spot.  Staring 

          20             at segregation in the face, she said no.  

          21             She was tired of giving in. Change takes 

          22             time, strength, support, unity and faith of 

          23             good people.  

          24                    The price of liberty is eternal 

          25             vigilance.  When we do not protect teachers 


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           2             who truly value our children, not conforming 

           3             to the Board of Ed system, we cannot protect 

           4             our children inside closed doors.  Give real 

           5             teachers a chance to fight the good fight 

           6             instead of being kicked out of the system 

           7             through the back door.  Only creating 

           8             okay -- back door. 

           9                    Dr. Kunjufu said the education system 

          10             has a conspiracy.  Good programs for 

          11             minority schools have been cut in the name 

          12             of budget cuts.  Good and real teachers are 

          13             being removed under all kinds of -- to shut 

          14             them up.  It is time to break the silence.  

          15             Check end teacher, end, E-N-D teacher 

          16             abuse.org.  Check Dr. Joe and Dr. Joseph 

          17             Blasis.  Their books on breaking the 

          18             silence, overcoming the problem of principal 

          19             mistreatment of teachers. 

          20                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    We need to say 

          21             thank you.

          22                    MS. WU:    Just one minute.

          23                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    Very quickly.  

          24             Very, very quickly, please.

          25                    MS. WU:    Well, okay.  We talk 


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           2             about safety.  What makes the US school 

           3             system above the law.  Our country's 

           4             education operates like prison, like the 

           5             Mafia.  In schools where God is denounced, 

           6             there is a big whole filled with that 

           7             violence and hate.  Schools in European 

           8             countries have similar problems on school 

           9             violence of great schools.  God is the 

          10             answer.  God is love.  Hate makes one 

          11             wicked, love makes one kind. 

          12                    What prohibited US school system to 

          13             progress?  Our public education system 

          14             purposely blocks the success of average and 

          15             gifted students.  In schools where those in 

          16             power view themselves superior over all the 

          17             races and creeds, there is racism and I'll 

          18             mention slavery over the minds.

          19                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    Ms. Wu --

          20                    MS. WU:    And also about the  --

          21                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Ms. Wu --

          22                    MS. WU:    Okay.  That special 

          23             education, there's a lot of black and Latino 

          24             boys in special education.  It's the same 

          25             what you call proportion as in the jail 


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           2             system.  So we see the pattern.

           3                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Thank you very 

           4             much.

           5                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    Thank you.

           6                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Jerry 

           7             Wechsler, PTA secretary, School for 

           8             International Studies.  Good evening.

           9                    MR. WECHSLER:   Hi.  Well, you're 

          10             tired.  I'm tired.  I really will try to be 

          11             brief.

          12                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    We would 

          13             appreciate it.

          14                    MR. WECHSLER:    I hope it's five 

          15             minutes.  Thanks for the opportunity to 

          16             speak.  My name is Jerry Wechsler.  I'm 

          17             going to read this, because I've never 

          18             spoken in public before.  As PTA secretary 

          19             from the school for International Studies in 

          20             Cobble Hill, I represent the school's 600 

          21             families, and by reflection, the entire 

          22             district 15 community. 

          23                    We support our new Chancellor and his 

          24             staff as they undertake the daunting task of 

          25             transforming New York City schools.


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           2                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    Little bit 

           3             louder.

           4                    MR. WECHSLER:    Of transforming New 

           5             York City schools.  So I would like to point 

           6             to a transformation that is already 

           7             happening.  My 14 year old daughter came 

           8             from Korea two years ago.  She came to the 

           9             International Studies one year ago.  Her ESL 

          10             classmates speak Arabic and Spanish, 

          11             representing the great diversity of our 

          12             community.  Our school and our district are 

          13             in the midst of great change, all of it for 

          14             the better. 

          15                    You can feel it as you walk through 

          16             the halls.  Has anyone been for the school 

          17             for International Studies?  It's a pretty 

          18             great change there.  Even since last year 

          19             the entire tone of the building has changed 

          20             dramatically for the better.  Local 

          21             merchants have noticed and spoken to the 

          22             school board members about it and the 

          23             teachers.  Okay. 

          24                    There is different attitude on the 

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           2             more attentive in class and less boisterous  

           3             than last year.  They do their homework and 

           4             attend after-school functions.

           5                    I'll talk about that.  There are 

           6             dances and movies with free admission for 

           7             honor roll and perfect attendance.  They 

           8             didn't used to have that, but there are also 

           9             a lot of now educational enhancements. 

          10                    Math tutoring.  They had Saturday 

          11             Scholars.  ELA seminars to help kids prepare 

          12             for the city-wide test, art and film 

          13             workshops.  My daughter goes to 

          14             Mr. Luciardi's art classes after school.  

          15             Attendance is way up from anything they ever 

          16             had at that school before.

          17                    Just yesterday evening I attended 

          18             Family Math Night at the school where the 

          19             districts professional developer for 

          20             mathematics, Leslie Hefez, you may know her, 

          21             and Ms. Henry from our math department 

          22             hosted more than 30 parents and children who 

          23             had fun solving math problems, logic.  

          24             That's double anything we had last year of 

          25             that sort in the attendance. 


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           2                    What is the source of this change?  

           3             Good schools come only with the support of 

           4             good school districts.  Here are some of the 

           5             transformations Carmen Farina

           6             has wrought, not only at International 

           7             Studies, but throughout district 15:  The 

           8             top priority is now the academic curriculum, 

           9             not behavior problems, like it used to be at 

          10             our school anyway.  Professional development 

          11             and support for classroom teachers is not an 

          12             idea, it's a fact.  Teachers are getting 

          13             real support from the principal.  I heard 

          14             some contrary statements.  Not at our 

          15             school.  They're getting incredible support, 

          16             I'm happy to say.  That's why we're there. 

          17                    Principals are getting real support 

          18             from our district office.  We get fed back 

          19             to the board from Sandy.  Teachers feel like 

          20             part of the team now, and so the morale is 

          21             up.  Students actually are learning, 

          22             amazing.  Last year, district 15 exhibited 

          23             one of the biggest jumps in test scores in 

          24             New York City.  I'm told Carmen Farina was a 

          25             successful principal before becoming 


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           2             superintendent, and I do believe it, because 

           3             she recognized, recruited and retained our 

           4             great principal, Sandy Ferguson. 

           5                    Sandy comes to us with 12 years of 

           6             experience, turning New York schools around.   

           7             Do any of you know him?  Have you met him?  

           8             You'd be very impressed.  It's quick.  I 

           9             don't know if you've even met Ms. Farina.  I 

          10             hope you have.  She very eloquent woman, 

          11             much more than I am. 

          12                    Okay, I'll go back to the text.  He's 

          13             going to have a success at International 

          14             Studies as well.  He was, of course, there 

          15             last night.  Every time there's an event, 

          16             he's there.  I don't know if he's taking art 

          17             class, but Carmen has given Sandy the tools 

          18             to hire and inspire a group of dedicated new 

          19             teachers at International Studies, and 

          20             teachers are our most valuable and 

          21             undervalued resource.  You should all 

          22             applaud right here.   You applauded before.  

          23             Applaud the teachers for two seconds, 

          24             because teachers get paid too little and 

          25             thanked too little.


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           2                    The turnaround at International 

           3             Studies and throughout district 15 is 

           4             happening very quickly.  I'm going to quote 

           5             Sandy and he's not here, which that's good.  

           6             Not long ago he said to me, you know, we 

           7             could accomplish this much in so short a 

           8             time only in this district.  Draw your own 

           9             conclusions.

          10                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    If you could 

          11             just skip the next bullet point where you 

          12             say Carmen Farina is absolutely fabulous.  I 

          13             said it for you.  If you can just get to 

          14             your conclusion.

          15                    MR. WECHSLER:    Thank you.  I'm 

          16             trying to read faster than I would practice 

          17             it.  So I am hear before you tonight to 

          18             thank you for seeking input from parents and 

          19             to ask that you judge principals, as well as 

          20             superintendents, by taking careful account 

          21             of what parents think, all of us and others.  

          22             I am here before you tonight to testify that 

          23             real change for the good is happening in my 

          24             daughter's school.  I am here before you 

          25             tonight to support this change and to 


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           2             support the people whose hard work has 

           3             engendered it, and just in case you think I 

           4             must be Carmen Farina's marketing director, 

           5             it ain't so.  I'm just a plain old dad 

           6             getting older, who sees some good things 

           7             unexpectedly happening in his kid's school, 

           8             so by all means, please renovate, revise  -- 

           9             Jessie Jackson here -- renovate, revise, 

          10             remove, improve, recharge and discharge, but 

          11             don't toss out your innovative babies with 

          12             the bureaucratic bath water.

          13                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Thank you very 

          14             much.

          15                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    Thank you very 

          16             much, sir.

          17                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    We're going to 

          18             be very efficient now.  I'm going to call 

          19             the last four pre-registered speakers to 

          20             come sit up at the table, so we don't have 

          21             to do the waiting in between.  Ronald 

          22             Clinton, Elizabeth Ritter, Kamela Payne and 

          23             Marcelle Lashley.  So let's begin with 

          24             Ronald Clinton, who has no written 

          25             testimony, but you'll give us your brief 


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           2             comments. 

           3                    MR. CLINTON:    Good evening, 

           4             everyone.  My name is Ron Clinton.  I'm the 

           5             executive director of Helping Hands 

           6             Unlimited, community-based social service 

           7             agency that provides services in the 

           8             Williamsburg and Bushwick region, district 

           9             14 and district 32.  I was sort of listening 

          10             to the testimony before me and a lot of 

          11             people hit on significant points that I 

          12             thought are important. 

          13                    I was sitting back there and I stood 

          14             there and I wanted to ask the committee, and 

          15             hope that this testimony is not just 

          16             following policy and procedure, and hope 

          17             that you realize the struggle for our 

          18             children and our children's education in the 

          19             Williamsburg, Bushwick and all over the 

          20             region of the metropolitan area. 

          21                    You know, I ran for district 32 

          22             school board just recently and received a 

          23             notice in the mail about abolishing the 

          24             school board and was really disappointed in 

          25             understanding this decision was made by one 


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           2             individual, and that's the Mayor of New York 

           3             City.  I'm concerned on how implementation 

           4             of the task force and their mission ahead in 

           5             regards to parent leadership and the 

           6             professional leadership that's going to be 

           7             necessary to carry out and administer some 

           8             form or fashion of school boards.  I hope 

           9             that the testimony that people have brought 

          10             forth is taken into consideration and that 

          11             you use a collective decision process where 

          12             you are making a decision solely as a task 

          13             force and not as an individual, taking in 

          14             light the minority community. 

          15                    Sheldon Silver had spoke in a public 

          16             television show and he talked about that 

          17             sunset clause.  Hopefully we don't have to 

          18             wait seven years until the eclipse of our 

          19             education.  Hopefully our children don't 

          20             have to wait seven years for the eclipse of 

          21             our education to happen and the failure of 

          22             our educational system at this particular 

          23             point. 

          24                    So to keep it brief, I hope that you 

          25             take in consideration what people have 


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           2             already said multiple times, and that you 

           3             come up with a sound decision and 

           4             supervision around helping the parents have 

           5             the necessary education and training around 

           6             implementing and monitoring the 

           7             superintendents and the principals and our 

           8             schools.  So I thank you.

           9                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    We thank you 

          10             very much.

          11                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    The answer is 

          12             yes and yes.  Elizabeth Lorris-Ritter, 

          13             parent district 6 and district 2.

          14                    MS. LORRIS-RITTER:    Good evening, 

          15             Assemblyman Sanders, Ms. Thomson, rest of 

          16             the panel.  My name is supermom.  Actually 

          17             my name is Elizabeth Ritter.  I live in 

          18             Washington Heights.  I have a fourth grade 

          19             son in the Miscoda New School, an academy 

          20             within district 6's PSIS 176 northern 

          21             Manhattan, and a sixth grade daughter who 

          22             graduated from that school and moved to the 

          23             Sauk School of Science, a small school of 

          24             choice housed in district 2's PS 40.  

          25             Actually, my kids go to the newest and the 


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           2             oldest facilities in Manhattan respectively, 

           3             which is kind of cool. 

           4                    First, let me apologize for not 

           5             having been earlier and heard everyone's 

           6             testimony.  I was attending a curriculum 

           7             night discussion between parents and 

           8             teachers at my son's school, and it felt a 

           9             little too ironic to forego actually being a 

          10             parent participating in, you know, pedagogy, 

          11             so I could come here and talk about the 

          12             importance of parent participation.

          13                    So I'm grateful that you're allowing 

          14             these to go over, and I'll tell you a little 

          15             bit more about that curriculum evening this 

          16             evening, but that's what those handouts are 

          17             about.  Second, let me tell you there are 

          18             many aspects of community school district 

          19             system that make me absolutely bananas, 

          20             despite the many reforms, the stunning 

          21             variety of options for patronage and Peter 

          22             principled  promotion remain, it makes me 

          23             rabid to go to the district office and see 

          24             these stacks of Xerox papers, six high and 

          25             eight wide, and I'm doing monthly runs up to 


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           2             Staples and Office Max so my kids' teachers 

           3             have something to photocopy the homework on.  

           4             It's not okay, and this is really happening. 

           5                    But when I have an issue with my 

           6             school, whether it's a problem with a staff 

           7             member or a pedagogical suggestion or 

           8             there's a field trip that I want to organize 

           9             or there is an interesting community group 

          10             that can maybe do some supplemental activity 

          11             in the school to enrich how teachers are 

          12             teaching, I know that I can go to my 

          13             district office and work with the district 

          14             level staff who knows the people on the 

          15             community board and who knows the friends of 

          16             such and such park and the local arts group 

          17             that does, you know, performing dance and 

          18             music program in the parks and can figure 

          19             out how to figure out how to work with 

          20             school-based teachers to integrate these 

          21             kind of supplemental arts and science 

          22             programs.  When you lose local community 

          23             school boards and local community school 

          24             districts and you centralize things, you 

          25             begin to get that very vanilla flavor, one 


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           2             size fits all, if this is Tuesday, we must 

           3             be learning how to spell aardvark education, 

           4             and that's not what I want for my child, and 

           5             I think that's not the kind of voter that 

           6             you want pulling the lever for you every 

           7             other November. 

           8                    You want educated, smart people 

           9             voting for you.  You want educated, smart 

          10             taxpayers forming the financial base for 

          11             your salary.  You can't have that with 

          12             crappy schools.  And you can't actually have 

          13             that with consistent, this is how we do this 

          14             at 9:00 in the morning on Tuesday education. 

          15                    In his comments yesterday, the Mayor 

          16             articulated a sweeping vision for the 

          17             administration and management of these 

          18             schools, and in a lot of ways it makes sense 

          19             to, you know, take the paper out of the 

          20             centralized offices and get it in the 

          21             schools.  To take the resources and get it 

          22             as close to the children who are consuming 

          23             the educational services possible, but I 

          24             worry about any system that says, you know, 

          25             it's going to be standardized.  We're going 


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           2             to have tests.  We're going to be able to 

           3             measure what the kids do.  These are not 

           4             widgets, they are children. 

           5                    I have, as I mentioned before, two 

           6             children.  They are both two dips into the 

           7             same gene pool.  They were raised in the 

           8             same home in the same community.  Educated 

           9             in the same school.  They are two very 

          10             different children.  They read differently.  

          11             They math differently.  They're different at 

          12             science.  They have different artistic 

          13             abilities.  They have different 

          14             temperaments, and that's two kid from the 

          15             same family.  So how can the Mayor or 

          16             Chancellor or anybody in the Department of 

          17             Ed say we're going to get this educational 

          18             system that's the same across the board, 

          19             that is consistent, that is standardized.  

          20             That is not flexible.  That doesn't take 

          21             into account the different needs of the 

          22             community and the different resources of the 

          23             community. 

          24                    One of the things that bothered me a 

          25             great deal recently, when the teachers 


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           2             contract added extra time, there were a 

           3             number of innovative plans that different 

           4             districts came up with on how are we going 

           5             to add these 100 minutes, and some people 

           6             said, you know, we're going to make every 

           7             period of instruction 90 seconds longer than 

           8             it used to be.  I don't know about your 

           9             children or about you when you were kids, 

          10             but 90 seconds, it's not a lot of time.  

          11             Some  -- and there's really a limited amount 

          12             of stuff that you can do, and I don't feel 

          13             like my kid's math experience is being 

          14             enhanced dramatically with that 90 seconds. 

          15                    Some districts said we're going to do 

          16             something different.  We're going to make 

          17             Tuesday longer.  We're going to come up with 

          18             a solution that makes sense given the 

          19             teachers in the building and given the 

          20             children in the building.  They weren't 

          21             allowed to do that.  Whatever it is that 

          22             gets done with the boards and with the 

          23             community schools, whoever's running this 

          24             operation, needs to be sensitive to the 

          25             individual need of the kids doing the 


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           2             learning, the teachers doing the teaching.  

           3             Thank you.

           4                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    Thank you very 

           5             much.

           6                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Thank you. 

           7             Kamela Payne.

           8                    MS. PAYNE:    Good evening.  My name 

           9             is Kamela Payne and I'm here as a parent.  I 

          10             have two children within the Board of 

          11             Education, the Department of Education.  One 

          12             in the 12th and one in the second grade.  

          13             I'm here to say that I am very much in favor 

          14             of the elimination of the community school 

          15             board.  To me, it represents an extension of 

          16             a bureaucratic Board of Education system. 

          17                    The role of the school board is not 

          18             clearly visible.  However, I feel that a 

          19             panel of parents and a representative of the 

          20             City Council's office, along with a 

          21             representative of the Chancellor's office 

          22             within each borough should be appointed to 

          23             deal with the issues that affect our 

          24             children.  It is not enough to give a parent 

          25             the right to advise on issues that affect 


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           2             our children.  The parents on this panel 

           3             must have a right to vote, to participate in 

           4             in effecting change.  The board should 

           5             reflect a diversity of the children 

           6             attending our schools. 

           7                    I feel the school leadership teams 

           8             should remain as they are and they should 

           9             work to bring together more parent 

          10             involvement.  They do work very closely with 

          11             the principals.  I, as a parent, had to 

          12             fight to get my child into a school that was 

          13             out of my zone.  I was not  -- the principal 

          14             initially would not speak to me.  I had to 

          15             go to the superintendent's office to get her 

          16             enrolled.  I was told there was no space.  I 

          17             had to go with numbers to make them aware 

          18             that there was space.  There was 20 kids and 

          19             not 25.  She's an eagle student.  When I 

          20             asked that she be tested for the CIG 

          21             program, I wrote a letter because my child 

          22             had scored very well and had tested prior to 

          23             entering into kindergarten.  I was told by 

          24             that same principal that he would not 

          25             placate me.  I wrote to the superintendent.  


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           2             I requested a meeting.  I wrote to the 

           3             Chancellor.  I did not get a meeting or a 

           4             conversation by telephone.  I also sent a 

           5             notice to district 22 community school board 

           6             leader Sal Nido.  No one returned my call. 

           7                    I recently wrote to the Chancellor's 

           8             office in September regarding the 

           9             ill-treatment of my child.  My daughter was 

          10             made to feel like she was not wanted because 

          11             this principal felt that I was a threat, and 

          12             the only thing I was asking for was that if 

          13             my child could perform and she could show 

          14             excellence, that she be given that 

          15             opportunity.  I had to fight to get her into 

          16             this school, and as a result, she paid the 

          17             price.  I had to remove her from the 

          18             classmates that she knew from kindergarten, 

          19             because I felt the situation was no longer 

          20             fair on the child.  At one point, racism was 

          21             blatant, and it's unfortunate, because I 

          22             couldn't explain to my child that this 

          23             principal was not here to serve the needs of 

          24             every child in this school. 

          25                    I had to find some place better for 


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           2             my child and I had no one to go to.  I did 

           3             write to our borough president, who's very 

           4             helpful.  And Wendy Weingart earlier today 

           5             talked about walking in each other shoes.  

           6             It's good to be able to walk in each other's 

           7             shoes, but sometimes we have to able to step  

           8             -- to basically address issues that may 

           9             affect how another person feels. 

          10                    We cannot continue to just say, you 

          11             know, go along with status quo.  You have to 

          12             be willing to step on the other one's shoes 

          13             and say this is not right and this is the 

          14             problem.  How can you expect us as parents 

          15             to feel that we're effective if we have no 

          16             vote? 

          17                    In the end, it is our responsibility 

          18             to ensure that our children get the best 

          19             education that they can, and when I wrote to 

          20             the district office and told them I wanted 

          21             my daughter down to Manhattan Beach, they 

          22             told me there was no room.  I told them 

          23             about No Child Left Behind, and the same 

          24             letter came through the Chancellor's office, 

          25             and then Bush came back out again and said 


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           2             you know what, there's no excuses for no 

           3             child left behind.  You have to make room.  

           4             But I said, you know what, I've done enough 

           5             shuffling with my child this year.  I'm 

           6             going to have to stake her some place where 

           7             she feels comfortable and wanted.  That was 

           8             my first concern.  Her emotionally 

           9             stability. 

          10                    She can perform.  She can perform 

          11             anywhere, but she should not have to sit in 

          12             a classroom where children are in an eagle 

          13             classroom, are supposed to gifted, are doing 

          14             work that children  -- that she did in the 

          15             first grade in my neighborhood.  Why is it?  

          16             Because with my oldest daughter, I had to 

          17             take her out of my school district to ensure 

          18             that she would get the education that she 

          19             deserves. 

          20                    I feel that so many people have 

          21             really ridden on our children's backs, and 

          22             in the end, I as a parent, I am responsible 

          23             for the type of education that she gets, and 

          24             that's why I'm here tonight, because she 

          25             deserve it. 


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           2                    I had to fight alone.  I wrote to 

           3             Carmen Farina of district 15.  Everybody's 

           4             closed their door.  When Bush said No Child 

           5             Left Behind.  You call public accounting, 

           6             they won't give you numbers, and everybody 

           7             close their doors.  I sent them test scores.  

           8             My daughter started getting things home like 

           9             competent.  What is competent to a seven 

          10             year old?  And this is not here 

          11             self-portrait.  She didn't draw this.  She 

          12             said, mommy, I didn't draw this 

          13             self-portrait of me.  This is a little brown 

          14             face with big brown eyes and short part blue 

          15             body, and these are the messages that were 

          16             sent to my daughter, but no one could hear 

          17             me.  I didn't have a voice, and I need a 

          18             parent to sit down in a forum in my 

          19             situation, to hear someone like me.  To 

          20             effect change. 

          21                    I raised one.  She going to be going 

          22             on to high school, and I find it's gotten 

          23             more difficult, and we can't allow it to 

          24             remain the way it is.  Martin Luther King 

          25             fought that fight a long time ago.  Let's 


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           2             stand up and let's stand up for what's 

           3             right.  I want to be a part of that change.  

           4             I want to have a voice.

           5                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    Thank you very 

           6             much.

           7                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Can I just 

           8             say, I just want to say, none of us here 

           9             have the power.  We're not part of the 

          10             Department of Education.  We don't have the 

          11             power to help you.  If I could, I would, but 

          12             several people who were here today do have 

          13             the power.  One was the Chancellor, who 

          14             although I know you've contacted him, he did 

          15             assure us --

          16                    MS. PAYNE:    I would like to send 

          17             this to him.

          18                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    That's fine.  

          19             Also the second person was public advocate 

          20             Betsy Gotbaum, who said she often advocates 

          21             for parents.  So those are two options for 

          22             you.

          23                    MS. PAYNE:    It just filtered back 

          24             down to our superintendent, and it's the 

          25             same system, but I would like to submit it 


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           2             to your panel, so that he may personally be 

           3             able to take a look  --

           4                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Well, he won't 

           5             see it through here.

           6                    MS. PAYNE:    He won't get it?  

           7             Because I did send all of my information, 

           8             but it didn't help.

           9                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Try Betsy 

          10             Gotbaum then.  Thank you.  Keep on fighting.  

          11             Marcelle Lashley.

          12                    MS. LASHLEY:   Good evening, task 

          13             force.  The next time Robin tells me to call 

          14             in, I will do it immediately so I'm in the 

          15             a.m.  I was here for your first cup of 

          16             coffee.  And you guys have grown weary over 

          17             the evening.  Thank you for staying, those 

          18             of you who are still here. 

          19                    I'm going to read my testimony 

          20             briefly.  First, as a correction, I'm PTA 

          21             vice president of PS 20 and the vice 

          22             president of district 13's President's 

          23             Council.  My name is Marcelle Davies 

          24             Lashley, and I am the mother of three 

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           2             They all attend public school in district 

           3             13, Brooklyn,  and have thus far had a great 

           4             academic and social experience. 

           5                    These children are the products of 

           6             planned parenthood of two loving, married 

           7             parents that made three conscious decisions 

           8             to create life and love in our cherished 

           9             offspring.  In turn we have chosen to share 

          10             them with the public school system of New 

          11             York City. 

          12                    My vested interest in what is the 

          13             public school which exists in my community 

          14             that I love, happens to be part of the 

          15             heartbeat of the neighborhood.  The same 

          16             jungle gym in Ft. Green park  where my 

          17             children now play and where I in turn off 

          18             the sprinkler in the humid summer nights, 

          19             has replaced the treehouse where I played as 

          20             a child.  I have pictures and the splinter 

          21             scars to prove it. 

          22                    I live and reside in the historic Ft. 

          23             Green, Clinton Hill, Brooklyn where the hugs 

          24             of children and the grocery store brings a 

          25             smile to my face on any given evening or 


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           2             Saturday afternoon, due to my consistent 

           3             involvement in the schools.  We can spend 

           4             forever playing the blame game about the 

           5             efforts and past behavior of the community 

           6             school boards.  That won't get us anywhere 

           7             or very far.  Besides, I happen to be in 

           8             good standing and respect those who 

           9             represent my district at the school board 

          10             level. 

          11                    Having served as the President's 

          12             Council president of my district for the 

          13             past three years, the one thing I do know is 

          14             that parents care, will go above and beyond 

          15             the call of duty for anybody's children and 

          16             want the best for their own children.  I 

          17             would go out on a limb to say that most 

          18             parents representing our schools on their 

          19             local PTAs or Ps are committed to school 

          20             improvement and well-run institutions of 

          21             learning for all children. 

          22                    They work tirelessly attending 

          23             meetings, workshops, forums training and 

          24             whatever else we've been advised to do to 

          25             help our children obtain the best possible 


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           2             experience in education.  This is in 

           3             addition to running their households working 

           4             full-time jobs sometimes single-handedly and 

           5             most certainly, unstipend by this great 

           6             city. 

           7                    Volunteer means just that, volunteer.  

           8             Often times these are the parents of 

           9             children that would get what they need to do 

          10             well, regardless of the resources in their 

          11             schools because their parents won't have it 

          12             any other way.  They make the sacrifice 

          13             because they are certifiably crazy and are 

          14             concerned about the big picture, the 

          15             community. 

          16                    Our children play, live and are all 

          17             educated together.  It would be behoove us 

          18             to make sure that they all receive adequate 

          19             education.  It is their fundamental human 

          20             right.  They trust and feel safe in the 

          21             presence of their parents.  They feel a 

          22             sense of pride when their parents are 

          23             involved. 

          24                    My seven year old a while ago in Head 

          25             Start after attending for about a year 


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           2             started crying in class.  I happened to be 

           3             in the parent room with a meeting and he was 

           4             crying because, and I quote, you are always 

           5             volunteering at Atianne's school, which was 

           6             my older son, a student at PS 20. 

           7                    The heartbeat of a child is the 

           8             mother, as the school is the heartbeat of 

           9             the community.  The schools with the most 

          10             parent involvement, have the best outcomes 

          11             per the research parent involvement is not a 

          12             program, but a process.  Increase schools 

          13             outcomes and improvement by engaging parents 

          14             in a meaningful way, and the parent and 

          15             community councils that you've suggested and 

          16             we agree with could possibly replace 

          17             community school boards. 

          18                    These new entities should be 

          19             systemic, not ad hoc fluff groups to keep 

          20             parents at bay and not really connected to 

          21             the education process.  In any household if 

          22             mom is unhappy, everybody's unhappy.  So is 

          23             the same for school.  If the parents are 

          24             unhappy, for the most part, the schools are 

          25             not very happy.


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           2                    Level the playing field by providing 

           3             professional development for parents so that 

           4             there can be a fair exchange at the 

           5             bargaining table.  If parents of our 1.1 

           6             million children don't have an adequate 

           7             voice and representation, it's like writing 

           8             a death sentence for the success and future 

           9             of our children.  A failing educational 

          10             system for parents can be both arduous and 

          11             painful for those of us that know the value 

          12             and importance of a well-educated nation. 

          13                    It will prove to be mismanagement of 

          14             the future of this city by educational 

          15             negligent of our children, our future.  It 

          16             is ironic that these forums are taking the 

          17             place on the day after the birthday of 

          18             Martin Luther King Jr.  Is there equity in 

          19             education and a fair platform for parent 

          20             concerns, voice and expression?  Justice is 

          21             about forgiveness, mercy and compassion.  If 

          22             we feel any of the above and have a small 

          23             amount of empathy for human life and the 

          24             quality of life, the time is now to 

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           2             involvement. 

           3                    Parents are the primary educators of 

           4             their children.  Trust their abilities and 

           5             put them to task with the parent councils 

           6             compromised of parents, for parents and 

           7             children, by the parents with the love of 

           8             their children in their hearts and minds.  

           9             Parents do deliver and have always been 

          10             accountable.  Thank you.

          11                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    Thank you very 

          12             much.  That completes the list of people who 

          13             had pre-registered.  There are several dozen 

          14             people who arrived today who asked if there 

          15             was time, and I think we indicated to most 

          16             everyone that at the end of the evening, 

          17             sometime after 9:00, if we still had time, 

          18             we would try to do that. 

          19                    So in five minutes, we're going to 

          20             take a five-minute break.  When we return, 

          21             we are going to call the people who had 

          22             registered today.  We will have to limit you 

          23             to two minutes.  I know it's a short amount 

          24             of time.  I know many of you have been here 

          25             for a long time.  So try to say some things, 


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           2             summarize your thoughts to perhaps haven't 

           3             been said or agree with other speakers who 

           4             came before you, but we will have to limit 

           5             you to two minutes, because we want to hear 

           6             from as many people as we can before 

           7             midnight when we must leave.  So we'll take 

           8             a five-minute break now.  So gather your 

           9             thoughts, make them succinct.  We want to 

          10             hear from you. 

          11                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    I'll read you 

          12             the four names who we'll begin with, just so 

          13             you can get ready and come up to the front.    

          14             Yvonne Dades, Queen Mother Jordan, Irene 

          15             Varon, and Betty Minter will be the first 

          16             four speakers. 

          17                    (A break was taken.)

          18                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:   And let me once 

          19             again make mention of the fact that we 

          20             regret we have to limit the last speakers to 

          21             two minutes who registered today, but we 

          22             have not choice.  We have to be out of this 

          23             room before midnight, and we still have 

          24             quite a number of people to hear from.  So 

          25             for this last group of people, I hope you 


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           2             will not consider me rude when I have to 

           3             interrupt you and thank you for your 

           4             testimony so we can move on.

           5                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    We're going to 

           6             begin right now with Yvonne Dades. 

           7                    MS. DADES:    Good evening to all.  

           8             My first thing is to commend you all on the 

           9             task force for trying to bring about a 

          10             change throughout our city.

          11                    From all the testimonies I heard 

          12             tonight, none of them were relevant to which 

          13             you are supposed to be here for.  We're 

          14             supposed to know whether we want these 

          15             school boards, who are to replace them, and 

          16             what are their purposes and they'll be 

          17             accountability. 

          18                    I am a parent who I represent parents 

          19             throughout the city, as well as children and 

          20             seniors, and I would like to let you know 

          21             that we do have an organization called 

          22             Parents United For Change who is willing to 

          23             accept you all as the change along with the 

          24             Chancellor and the Mayor.  We have to learn 

          25             to collaborate. 


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           2                    I'm going to try to synopsize in a 

           3             few minutes for you all because I've been 

           4             waiting, but my point is this, we do not 

           5             need the same thing that has happened in the 

           6             past.  What I do like about the new day is 

           7             that it not only touched one person, it 

           8             touched across the board.  So it's no 

           9             personal this here.  What happened in one 

          10             district with good school boards did not 

          11             happen in the others, okay, so if you had a 

          12             good board, I grant you, you wanna keep it, 

          13             keep it, but take that and make it a pilot 

          14             as our piggyback along with Ms. Williams, 

          15             Denise said.  Make it a pilot program and 

          16             show it to others.

          17                    If you want to bring it back in 2010, 

          18             but right now it's out.  My point is this, 

          19             it's time to let parents stand up.  They 

          20             asked for the control.  They wanted the 

          21             forefront.  Give it to them.  You gave it to 

          22             them.  It's out of here.  Why now are they 

          23             not going to be able to stand up and be on 

          24             their own.  We have a plan.  Why is the plan 

          25             ignored?  We don't need a school board we 


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           2             know what to do in our district, but the 

           3             point is, have the people there together 

           4             with the parents, like administrators or 

           5             community people, CBOs or whatever have you 

           6             that can bring the administrative leadership 

           7             that we might need that would supercede our 

           8             education, because we're not informed.  The 

           9             majority of us. 

          10                    I've been here since 1980.  

          11             Mr. Sanders, I done seen you plenty.  I come 

          12             up state.  I speak with different districts.  

          13             The whole nine.  I'm not going to put on the 

          14             floor here the case that will take us out of 

          15             compliance.  I'm not here for that, but my 

          16             point is this, can you accept the group of 

          17             parents and you'll give us the support.  I 

          18             have a group of parents, over 150 from the 

          19             Marriott, the conference we had, that 

          20             they're waiting for answers.  We are victims 

          21             of No Child Left Behind.

          22                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    Okay.  We thank 

          23             you.  We hear you and we thank you very 

          24             much.

          25                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Queen Mother 


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           2             Jordan, Universal Educational Partners in 

           3             Education.

           4                    QUEEN MOTHER JORDAN:   Good evening 

           5             to the task force and to all here assembled, 

           6             representation of parents, teachers and 

           7             students.  I am here as a universal mother 

           8             for education.  My purpose is to hear and 

           9             observe what is being said by each and every 

          10             one.  It is for the benefit of the children, 

          11             because they are first.  They are number 

          12             one.  They are our future leaders.  

          13             Universal wise it's needed. 

          14                    It's imperative that we make it so it 

          15             become perpetual that parents must have 

          16             direction and must have some sort of input 

          17             for the children in their behalf.  So as a 

          18             universal mother, that is my reason. 

          19                    We cannot separate according to 

          20             children, whatever their intelect is, 

          21             whatever their health is, it's important.  

          22             Some may be a little slower than others.  

          23             Some may have dyslexia, but whatever it may 

          24             be, some may be brilliant and excel.  

          25             However it is, each one can contribute.  


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           2             Because even one that is autistic, can have 

           3             some special gift, God given gift that can 

           4             take them through. 

           5                    So my purpose is to ask the community 

           6             board that we know has done the best they 

           7             could at the time, and all those who have 

           8             contributed could not be here because there 

           9             wouldn't be room enough to hold them.  We 

          10             would need a large forum, even larger than 

          11             Madison Square Garden, for what has already 

          12             put into it.  So therefore, I feel that it 

          13             should be in some way given an endowment 

          14             policy.  One that's a permanent policy that 

          15             gives life.  Our children are our life.  

          16             They are our life line.  They are our future 

          17             leaders. 

          18                    So therefore go forth.  Communicate.  

          19             Whatever can be contributed towards it, see 

          20             that it's implemented, and that is the love.  

          21             We must have the love for the children.  It 

          22             must not so that we pocket whatever is given 

          23             to go forth to present, to preserve or to 

          24             purchase whatever's necessary.  The sweat of 

          25             our brow and our energy is needing.  Give 


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           2             it.  Just like you contribute a pint of 

           3             blood, donate your blood.  Donate your 

           4             sweat.  Donate your love.  And let it go 

           5             forth, but you cannot amputate the parents 

           6             from the children.  You cannot amputate the 

           7             teachers from the children.  And you cannot 

           8             amputate the children from them. 

           9                    So go forth for education and love.  

          10             That's coming from Universal Queen Mother of 

          11             Creative Crusade for Education and partners 

          12             of parents, teachers and students.  I am 

          13             Mother Universal and I love all children.  

          14             So let us make it be universal.  We call 

          15             everyone to war to go to see what we can do 

          16             to try to get peace.  So whatever we're 

          17             saying now, what we preaching, let's put it 

          18             into action.

          19                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    And we thank you 

          20             very much, and I would just note that all of 

          21             us here and I think in the audience took 

          22             note of your presence in the first row 

          23             observing these proceedings, and I must say 

          24             that your being here added a certain degree 

          25             of dignity and grace and regalness we all 


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           2             couldn't help but notice.  We thank you for 

           3             being here Queen Mother Jordan.

           4                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Irene Varon.

           5                    MS. VARON:    Thank you.  I applaud 

           6             the fact that you guys are willing to stay.  

           7             I'm totally amazed that you can be here this 

           8             long, and I do know that you do listen.  

           9             I've been around the system a long time.  

          10             I've been very fortunate in my choice of 

          11             schools and in my district.  I'm in district 

          12             22, at first as a parent, and now I work 

          13             there.  We have a very well functioning 

          14             school leadership team in a lot of our 

          15             schools.  There's room for improvement and a 

          16             lot of areas in the system.  But we also 

          17             have a functioning district leadership team.  

          18             And I have to say, between the school 

          19             leadership teams, which have been supported 

          20             through district training, we do six 

          21             workshops on CEP, data analysis, all sorts 

          22             of planning, six workshops on budget, and 

          23             the deputy superintendents gives us the 

          24             workshops.  We're taught how to plan 

          25             budgets, what they mean, what happens.  I 


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           2             don't think that would happen with 10 

           3             regions, with six operational regions.  They 

           4             don't even overlap. 

           5                    Budget is only a tool to implement 

           6             your educational plan.  So to separate them, 

           7             doesn't work.  But the district leadership 

           8             team and the school leadership teams in our 

           9             district have managed to keep student 

          10             achievement high.  My school makes state 

          11             standards.  We're 93 percentile one.  We 

          12             figured out from the home language surveys 

          13             about 2/3rds of our parents don't speak 

          14             English at home.  The children don't speak 

          15             English at home.  Yet we still make state 

          16             standards, because parents, teachers and 

          17             administrators have worked together and we 

          18             have been supported by the district office. 

          19                    Our funding director, when we became 

          20             a school-wide program school, and we were 

          21             first in the district, came to our meetings 

          22             all the time to help us, because we didn't 

          23             understand the language.  We had 

          24             facilitators that taught us how to be a 

          25             team.  It's not all smooth sailing.  I'm the 


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           2             chair of the committee, and sometimes I 

           3             resorted to using a hammer.  And it's fun.  

           4             We conflict, but something better comes out, 

           5             because we have different points of view in 

           6             the same room.  Having parent groups 

           7             separated from teachers and administrators, 

           8             it's like making plans, I say it -- making 

           9             plans over the telephone with six people.  

          10             You want to go here and you're on the 

          11             telephone and you're going around to 

          12             everybody, by the time you get back to the 

          13             first person, you're confused.  Everybody in 

          14             the same room comes out with a product at 

          15             the same time, and I think district 

          16             leadership teams -- and I know you have to 

          17             have to have some other elected --

          18                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    We'll need you 

          19             to conclude.

          20                    MS. VARON:    Okay.  But these 

          21             teams, because they have been trained, 

          22             because they have put their egos aside, have 

          23             managed to keep up with changing population, 

          24             changing demographics and still make 

          25             standards.  Thank you.


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           2                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    Thank you.

           3                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Thank you very 

           4             much.  The next group we'll call Betty 

           5             Minter.  Not here.  Linda Sanders.  Sabina 

           6             Ellentuck, William Cruz and Valerie Hill.

           7                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    Is Linda Sanders 

           8             here?

           9                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    No.  Okay.  

          10             Sabina Ellentuck.  Okay.  William Cruz, no.  

          11             Valerie Hill, no.  Ingrid Roman?  Come join 

          12             us up here, okay. And Vivian Natale.  Great.  

          13             This is Sabina?

          14                    MS. ELLENTUCK:   Sabina.

          15                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Welcome.

          16                    MS. ELLENTUCK:    Hi.  I specifically 

          17             want to talk to something I read in the 

          18             paper today that the division of the 

          19             instruction department, I'm not sure if I'm 

          20             getting it right, is going to come out with 

          21             very specifics about what schools should do, 

          22             and for example, they said that from K 

          23             through third grade I think the literacy 

          24             should be focused on phonics.  Then there 

          25             should be math every day.  So my statement 


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           2             is that standards are good.  Have standards, 

           3             but do not micromanage the entire school day 

           4             like they do in Chicago public schools.  I'm 

           5             also from the Miscoda New School.  I came 

           6             late because I was at a fabulous homework 

           7             session tonight for parents and teachers.  

           8             My son graduated from this school.  I have a 

           9             younger son in second grade.  This is a 

          10             small school of 300 kids.  We have Spanish 

          11             kids, African American kids, Asian kids, all 

          12             kinds of kids, white kids, from everywhere.  

          13             They're all up in Washington Heights and 

          14             they all come to this school.  It's really 

          15             wonderful.

          16                    These kids do a lot of writing.  They 

          17             write stories, books, drama dialogues, 

          18             plays, newspapers, and I'm not talking about 

          19             the fifth graders.  K through five, they're 

          20             all doing this.  The fourth, fifth graders 

          21             study Shakespeare the whole year and there's 

          22             a Shakespeare play that's put on at the end 

          23             of the year, but the acting is terrible, but 

          24             you ask them what something means and they 

          25             know it.  They understand Shakespeare.  It's 


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           2             truly amazing, okay. 

           3                    It's not the focus to create actors.  

           4             It's to create understanding and literacy 

           5             and speaking and self-esteem.  They do math 

           6             projects linked to science projects.  

           7             They're doing a science project, they do 

           8             graphing.  They understand why they do 

           9             things.  They do science experiments and 

          10             document things.  They build habitats for 

          11             animals.  They do art projects based on the 

          12             science, based on the social studies.  It's 

          13             a very integrated program. 

          14                    What I want to say is that this 

          15             school does not teach just phonics or just 

          16             whole language.  They mix, okay.  You can't 

          17             just teach one thing.  You can't say the old 

          18             way versus the new way.  They teach 

          19             constructivist math with real life problems, 

          20             but of course there's some memorization 

          21             going on.  It's problem solving as the 

          22             focus.  There are a variety of ways to teach 

          23             and they do it at this school. 

          24                    They do not teach from textbooks.  

          25             There are libraries of books for what we can 


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           2             have in each room.  The teachers Xerox from 

           3             all type of sources.  The teachers go out 

           4             for training  through new visions at Bank 

           5             Street, different places.  They come back. 

           6             They share with the teachers.  This is a 

           7             school where the director and teachers and 

           8             parents support each other.  They work hard. 

           9                    We have workshops to educate the 

          10             parents so we know how to help with 

          11             constructivist math homework.  Everyone has 

          12             to learn together, and that's what we have 

          13             at this school.  So again, I'm saying yes to 

          14             standards.  They're good.  You have to say 

          15             you have to learn math this and that, but no 

          16             to cookie cutter approach. 

          17                    Please be very careful.  Don't 

          18             destroy some of the good things we have like 

          19             this other man was saying, the innovative 

          20             things at his school.  The great things at 

          21             this school.  Leave room for creativity and 

          22             a variety of ways to teach and learn. 

          23                    So I invite you all, please, come 

          24             visit.  I've been an active parent at this 

          25             school for five years.  I'll set up your 


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           2             visit.  Come visit the Miscoda New School, 

           3             district six, Washington Heights, Inwood.

           4                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    Thank you very 

           5             much.

           6                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Thank you.  

           7             Ingrid Roman.

           8                    MS. ROMAN:   First, I want to say 

           9             that I'm glad to see all of you here today, 

          10             because I hear people speak of well, we're 

          11             going to remember your face.  Well, I'm 

          12             going to remember your face in a good way, 

          13             because you took the opportunity to come out 

          14             here and hear us.  The people, and everyone 

          15             discuss well, we want to be heard.  We are 

          16             being heard. We are the people that voted 

          17             and elected Bloomberg to come in, because we 

          18             all knew that he was going to abolish the 

          19             Board of Ed.  This is why he one the 

          20             majority vote, and I personally, I am very 

          21             glad that he is the Mayor and I have the 

          22             confidence within me to say that I am 

          23             confident that he will do the right thing.  

          24             This is why you are here.  This is why we 

          25             were given this opportunity to speak here 


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           2             today. 

           3                    I will not discuss issues relative to 

           4             other communities, because I don't live in 

           5             certain other communities.  I'm here with 

           6             regard to district 20.  In that vicinity, we 

           7             have a lot of bureaucratic stuff going on.  

           8             We have retribution.  We have -- you have to 

           9             pay the price of the parents.  Their 

          10             outcries are not being heard.  At the 

          11             community level, they disregard what you 

          12             have to say.  And it's pretty disgusting.

          13                    I've been involved in the school as 

          14             far as on the PTA as first vice president.  

          15             I'm on the school leadership team.  I'm on 

          16             the learning leaders team.  I was a member 

          17             of the Parkville Youth Organization for 

          18             three years, baseball, football, whatever, 

          19             free.  I don't get paid.  I don't want a 

          20             salary, and it's amazing to me that you  -- 

          21             you have to care about the children.  If you 

          22             don't care, you don't belong there.  And the 

          23             reason that these people are placed in these 

          24             positions is because you at one point have 

          25             given the impression that you care about the 


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           2             children, but this is not the situation I'm 

           3             seeing in the schools. 

           4                    And I've also have been given the 

           5             opportunity to help certain officials run 

           6             for office.  For example, Councilman Marty 

           7             Golden who is now Senate, and he is a very 

           8             concerned individual when it comes to our 

           9             community, and he is trying relentlessly to 

          10             do what's right, but aside that, what I'm 

          11             seeing and dealing with all the people in 

          12             the neighborhood, because I do get around 

          13             and I'm very friendly with everyone and 

          14             anyone, and it doesn't mater who you are or 

          15             where you come from, as long as you're a 

          16             civil, kind person and you're trying to do 

          17             what's right, more so for the children. 

          18                    And this is what bothers me most, is 

          19             no one's doing what needs to be done for the 

          20             children, and at the school level, district 

          21             20, I personally feel that that school 

          22             should be demolished, that community school 

          23             board should be demolished.  I've listened 

          24             to so many parents complain and complain, 

          25             and when they call, they don't want to hear 


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           2             it.  The secretary takes the phone calls.  

           3             You know, those in charge, the'll respond to 

           4             the secretary.  The secretary will respond 

           5             to the parent.  They're not being listened 

           6             to. 

           7                    I've been fortunate enough, whatever 

           8             complaints I've had for that district, to 

           9             deal with somebody in the community 

          10             assistance unit, who was willing to hear me 

          11             out.  I have had the opportunity to find the 

          12             Chancellor's fax number and forward my 

          13             complaints, and hopefully somewhere down the 

          14             road something will come out of it, but I 

          15             think what's most important, when you decide 

          16             and go through all your paperwork is, you 

          17             have to have the input of the parents.  It's 

          18             very important.  We do scrutinize, but it's 

          19             important to have it there, and you also 

          20             have to focus on the teachers and the 

          21             principals in the school.

          22                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    We thank you.  

          23             You did all that in one breath I think.  

          24             Thank you for that testimony.

          25                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Vivian Natale, 


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           2             no.  The next four.  Dawn Jones, chairwoman, 

           3             Manhattan community board number 15. Dr. 

           4             DeLois Blakely, I don't think she's here.  

           5             Oh, is she here.  Yes, I didn't see you come 

           6             back.  Mario Aguila, parent from PS 17, did 

           7             you come back?  No.  Sharon Burke, president 

           8             of PTA, PS 181.  Did Sharon come back?  

           9             Okay.  Come join us, Sharon.  Dr. Blakely.

          10                    DR. BLAKELY:    I'm Dr. DeLois 

          11             Blakely, and I come as the community Mayor 

          12             of Harlem, and I come in the spirit of Dr. 

          13             King.  Dr. King regularly reminded us, as 

          14             Mayor Bloomberg mentioned yesterday on his 

          15             birthday in his deliverance of his speech in 

          16             Harlem, remind us that "an injustice 

          17             anywhere threatens justice everywhere"  

          18             again, quoting from the Mayor Bloomberg, 

          19             "illiteracy permitted anywhere, threatens 

          20             learning everywhere." 

          21                    As I continue to quote him, this 

          22             morning we are in community school district 

          23             five central and west Harlem lies within its 

          24             boundary.  The most recent state and city 

          25             standardized test tells us that more than 


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           2             3/4 of the students in elementary and middle 

           3             school in district five cannot read, write 

           4             or perform math at grade level.  Quoting 

           5             again, the Mayor, district 10 of the 

           6             districts in which African American and 

           7             Latin children make up 88 to 99 percent of 

           8             enrollment, more than 2/3 of students failed 

           9             to meet standards in reading, writing and 

          10             math.  He quotes, the problem is systematic.  

          11             He quotes, the partnership between the 

          12             schools and the community organization that 

          13             delivers these services, he quotes, we must 

          14             make the commitment financial, morale, 

          15             political.  After all, it's our future. 

          16                    I quote again from the Mayor 

          17             Bloomberg.  The right to a quality education 

          18             is just as much a God given and American 

          19             right as the right to vote or be treated 

          20             equally.  I quote from Dr. Blakely, the 

          21             community Mayor of Harlem, let us live and 

          22             work for our children/youth in the spirit of 

          23             Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.  I thank you.

          24                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Thank you.

          25                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    We thank you 


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           2             very much.

           3                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Sharon Burke.

           4                    MS. BURKE:    Thank you.  Good 

           5             evening, everyone.  My name is Sharon Burke 

           6             and I'm the current PTA president of PS 181 

           7             in East Flatbush, Brooklyn.  My children 

           8             have been attending that school, and I have 

           9             been a parent volunteer there for the last 

          10             15 years. 

          11                    I'm mother of 10, five of which have 

          12             graduated out of the public school system 

          13             and five of which now attend -- four which 

          14             attend PS 181, and one is in high school.  

          15             PS 181 is a K to eight school.  When I 

          16             became involved with the community school 

          17             board, there were times when I felt justice 

          18             was done and there were times when I felt 

          19             that many injustices were done. 

          20                    When it comes to the abolition of the 

          21             school boards, I am ambivalent.  I want to 

          22             hold onto what is the past, because I know 

          23             it.  I am a bit afraid of the future, 

          24             because I don't know what it will bring.  

          25             And I'm kind of scared.  You know, because 


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           2             it's like what do they have in mind for my 

           3             children?  Is it a bunch of talk or is it an 

           4             earnest effort to elevate the level of 

           5             education for my children in the school?  

           6                    The problem that I have at my school, 

           7             which I know extends outside of the school, 

           8             is the wish to control and that when I come 

           9             to the school as a parent, that I am just a 

          10             parent and that my voice is that of just a 

          11             parent.  When I come and sit down at the 

          12             table as a parent on a leadership team, I am 

          13             seen as such, and that with the abolition of 

          14             the school board, I am fearful of the fact 

          15             that my word will be seen as just a parent 

          16             and not one as an educated participant in a 

          17             team. 

          18                    I would say to you, though, that when 

          19             my children leave the home, they do not go 

          20             with just their brains.  They do not present 

          21             their brain, okay.  They present their whole 

          22             self.  They present their esteem.  Their 

          23             feelings, their heart, their dreams and 

          24             aspirations that which was born in my 

          25             household. 


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           2                    So therefore, I should as a parent, 

           3             have a say and an input in the education, 

           4             because I'm not just educating the academic 

           5             child, I'm educating the entire being.  

           6             Parents must be allowed concrete input into 

           7             the education and the running of the school, 

           8             and I mean, all of it is just talk until 

           9             it's put into action.  And I'm a parent who 

          10             I'm ready for the action, and I would like 

          11             to be a part of that.  Thank you very much.

          12                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Thank you very 

          13             much.

          14                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Thank you.  

          15             Sol McCants, Valerie McAllister, and Miguel 

          16             Williams.  And we believe these are the last 

          17             three.  Sol McCants is first.  Welcome.  

          18             Thank you for staying.

          19                    MR. MCKANTZ:    First, I want to 

          20             thank you for staying, and I commend those 

          21             that are here, because those that are here 

          22             means to me that you are the only ones that 

          23             are left on this table that seem to care, 

          24             okay, and I have to put that out, because as 

          25             a parent, I was raised by my father that was 


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           2             a union leader in the post office.  Long 

           3             meetings.  I went along with him sometimes 

           4             as an education process.  Nobody left those 

           5             meetings until the meeting was done.  

           6             Business is not done until the meeting is 

           7             over.  Those that left here are going to say 

           8             well, I'll read this.  I'll read that.  

           9             That's like a child going home and you tell 

          10             him do the homework and then come back with 

          11             the assignment half done.  They're going to 

          12             get their assistant to do it.  I don't 

          13             believe them.  I only believe the faces that 

          14             I see. 

          15                    I'm going to be short on that part 

          16             but, also, I'm a child of this school 

          17             system.  I went to school here in the '60s.  

          18             And I beg you to look up the school called 

          19             110 in Queens.  It was a wooden schoolhouse.  

          20             The last wooden schoolhouse in Queens and it 

          21             wasn't a fun thing, because where I lived in 

          22             St. Albans, I lived near the dividing line 

          23             at the time.  Farmers Boulevard.  You step 

          24             over Farmers Boulevard and it didn't look 

          25             like me.  And there was a school across from 


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           2             Farmers Boulevard, and I couldn't go to that 

           3             school at that time, okay. 

           4                    So this is before '62 and before 

           5             that.  My parents walked picket lines along 

           6             with me.  I watched them beaten and arrested 

           7             in this city, okay, under an apartheid 

           8             system of not only work, but also that 

           9             education system. 

          10                    The wooden schoolhouse I went to had 

          11             sharecropper hours.  Where the other school 

          12             had a full day, I had a half day.  It was 

          13             like I said, I beg you to do your research.  

          14             The school was called 110.  It was close  -- 

          15             the backside of it faced Baisley Boulevard, 

          16             and it was a such an abondable school, that 

          17             you know, like a wooden schoolhouse.  Think 

          18             of the bungalows that you saw near Coney 

          19             Island, okay, but there were four rooms.  

          20             And it serviced the neighborhood, so it was 

          21             overcrowd.  So the way the old board did it 

          22             was half a day for you and half a day for 

          23             you.  Everybody else got a full education. 

          24                    And my mother was a teacher.  She 

          25             fought for me to get out of that school and 


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           2             got me into another school.  She took off a 

           3             week's worth of wages, risking the mortgage, 

           4             because it took two incomes from our family 

           5             to pay the mortgage.  Remember, we're 

           6             talking about apartheid times, even though 

           7             they had education. 

           8                    Now I'm going to bring you up to this 

           9             time.  Presently, as I said, I have child, a 

          10             male child, going to Sheepshead Bay High 

          11             School.  I'm on the leadership team.  I'm 

          12             also active in the PTA.  And what's been 

          13             deeply troubling me since the past Mayor, 

          14             who I won't even respect to mention his name 

          15             to soil the microphone with his name, okay, 

          16             and the present Mayor, who is like the past 

          17             Mayor, but with a smile, and is basically 

          18             giving us the Department of Education, which 

          19             it is now called, and now called for the 

          20             decronyian monolithic thought of one 

          21             curriculum policy and no diversity along 

          22             with disbanding the community input and 

          23             control.  This is both fascist and racist.  

          24             Okay.  The demographics of this city is not 

          25             reflected in the ruling class of 


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           2             Mr. Bloomberg's administration.  And I fear 

           3             for that.  And I also say for you to fear 

           4             for that, because an uneducated child will 

           5             not be a skilled worker.  He may be a 

           6             mechanic.  And I say this to wake up the 

           7             teachers in my school because they're 

           8             insensitive.  These children will become 

           9             mechanics that work on your car.  They can't 

          10             read or talk wrench because they can't do 

          11             math.  They're going to talk the wheels on 

          12             your car.  They're going to come loose as 

          13             you go on your way down driving to retire on 

          14             I 95, and goes what, the person that hung 

          15             out and cut class with him, worked on the 

          16             truck.  So when your car comes to a stop, 

          17             the truck that he worked the brakes on that 

          18             his partner worked on, basically rolls over 

          19             you on I 95.  So let's change this attitude 

          20             about input and not listening to parents, 

          21             okay.  I beg you to listen closely.  And 

          22             think of that, because a guidance counselor 

          23             said well, I'll fly, and I had to remind him 

          24             that it's 9-11.  C Minus in the White House, 

          25             when he wants to put the fear in the 


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           2             American public, cancels all flights.  You 

           3             now have to still drive. 

           4                    Those students that you don't 

           5             educate, are still putting you in danger.  

           6             They may work on the boiler in your house, 

           7             because now the military's closed off all 

           8             the bridges and you have to stay home.  He 

           9             forgot to loosen or read the directions to 

          10             unloosen the steam valve and your boiler 

          11             blew up along with you and your house. 

          12                    So I say this is very dangerous.  

          13             This is very dangerous, and I know the 

          14             difference between a good education and a 

          15             bad one, because I'm a product of the High 

          16             School of Music and Art, and we have had 

          17             free thought there, okay.  Unfortunately our 

          18             teachers, and many of them were history 

          19             teachers, when we were talking about black 

          20             history, I mentioned a few names.  

          21             Unfortunately they didn't know Paul 

          22             Robinson.  Paul Robinson you don't know.  

          23             Lieutenant General Benjamin O. Davis.  He 

          24             was recently in the news.  So if these 

          25             stupids who want to be insensitive -- and I 


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           2             call them stupids when you have a body of 

           3             students who are mixed and you choose not to 

           4             know any of their backgrounds or be 

           5             sensitive to anything in history -- he 

           6             recently passed away.  God bless his soul.  

           7             But many a white bomber pilot is safe and 

           8             came home and had a family and was able to 

           9             spread his family name, because the red 

          10             tails never lost a bomber in World War II. 

          11                    Benjamin Davis, and I have to 

          12             enlighten everybody, was a graduate upstate 

          13             of the military college.  He basically took 

          14             over and was in control of the Catusky Gee 

          15             Air Men.  Unfortunately, teachers aren't 

          16             held responsible to know these facts. 

          17                    Quami Incuma is not taught.  You have 

          18             a course called global history.  Do you know 

          19             who Quami Incuma is?  Write the name down if 

          20             you don't know, because if you are -- you're 

          21             old enough to know that in the '60s and the 

          22             '50s, what unfortunately what Eisenhower did 

          23             to overthrow with the CIA, he was first 

          24             prime minister  -- okay, of an African 

          25             nation. 


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           2                    Patrice Lumba you should know.  They 

           3             don't know.  These are very important names.  

           4             We're sending our kids off to the military.  

           5             You have the military marching in our 

           6             schools trying to snatch my son.  But these 

           7             people don't know what the Port Chicago 

           8             Mutiny was, nor do the service men that died 

           9             there, and nor the fact that the last 

          10             President Clinton pardoned the last living 

          11             soul of that group.  Therbert Marshall 

          12             defended that troop.  Half of them were 

          13             under age and were in the military and had 

          14             no business being there, but they wanted to 

          15             serve the flag.  Okay. 

          16                    Another thing, we have the Pledge of 

          17             Allegiance.  I was during an intervention, 

          18             because of the fact that I had to speak as a 

          19             parent sometimes, you have to go to school, 

          20             and there is a principal, there is the 

          21             assistant principal, and unfortunately 

          22             there's this unknowing history teacher who's 

          23             supposed to know, who has a degree, that 

          24             says I don't know what test she cheated off 

          25             of, but she's supposed to know and doesn't 


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           2             know, because I brought books, but the 

           3             bottom line is, the bell chimed, and they 

           4             said  -- now imagine this.  This is an 

           5             intervention.  This is a private conference 

           6             of a parent, teacher, and assistant 

           7             principal, and concerned about basically 

           8             forwarding education.  All business stopped 

           9             to turn and pledge the flag.  So I beg you, 

          10             because once I was a medical photographer 

          11             and I to sit in the operating room, and I 

          12             wonder which one of you  would like to have 

          13             your guts over open in Brookdale Hospital 

          14             where I worked, and they said oh, it's 

          15             10:00.  We do the Pledge of Allegiance, 

          16             because C Minus and Rumsfell wants it this 

          17             way.  This is not education. 

          18                    Something is wrong here.  Our 

          19             priorities are wrong, because that was 

          20             parental put it at a stop.  That's what I 

          21             see when Bloomberg from the stop down says, 

          22             I want it this way and this way only and 

          23             this is all you get, and it's only upstate.  

          24             But you know one thing, I have to add this, 

          25             most of these teachers come from Long 


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           2             Island, but in Long Island, there is no 

           3             Nassau County Board of Education, is there, 

           4             which would about equal almost the same 

           5             amount of students in New York.  Nor is 

           6             there a Suffolk County Board of Education.  

           7             Nor is there an Orange County Board of 

           8             Education.  No.  You have Garden City, and 

           9             Garden City has a school board.  You have 

          10             Oyster Bay and they have a school board, 

          11             right?  You don't make these teachers bring 

          12             their kids to the school where my son is and 

          13             say you will learn along with them. 

          14                    And I have to ask you, because this 

          15             is what you're raising when you 

          16             basically  -- because these kids understand.  

          17             I look at minority schools in minority areas 

          18             and I see that the school yard is a parking 

          19             lot.  I don't see that happening in any 

          20             other school area, and yet there's parking 

          21             around the school.  You're teaching kids 

          22             disrespect, and yet when parents want to 

          23             intervene on this, you only want top down.  

          24             Short cuts.  In other words, you're Enroning 

          25             these children's minds. 


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           2                    We got a dummy in the White House 

           3             that says, why do they hate us?  Because 

           4             basically he was educated by the same kind 

           5             of mentality.  How dare he, uneducated soul, 

           6             to trent lot in the White House and this 

           7             trent lot of a Mayor desecrate Martin Luther 

           8             King.  I'll use a quote from Martin Luther 

           9             King.  You won't here this speech on TV.  

          10             But look it up.  It was spoken at Riverside 

          11             church.  There are words in there, and he 

          12             used the words that, America, you've come 

          13             too arrogant.  Well, I'll turn that quote a 

          14             little bit and say you know what, since 

          15             Pataki has hired a Georgia segregation law 

          16             firm to keep money out of my son's school 

          17             and waste the tax dollars, to keep that 

          18             legal fight on, even though it was told by a 

          19             judge that you were in the wrong, by a 

          20             judge.  How dare he be above the law.  Where 

          21             is the checks and balances that I read about 

          22             in the constitution?  Why are we sleeping 

          23             about this? 

          24                    Like I say, I'm going to use his 

          25             quote.  You're too arrogant.  You've become 


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           2             too arrogant.  And you know one thing he 

           3             added, that it was about Vietnam, you're 

           4             making your own Vietnam, and that little 

           5             country of these minds are going to come 

           6             back and bite you in your you know what, 

           7             unless you change this around and start 

           8             having true input. 

           9                    Now the one thing I will add, and 

          10             that they're getting rid of  -- and I'm 

          11             going to end on this -- you forced my 

          12             superintendent away who I at least when I 

          13             had a problem, could basically go and say 

          14             hey, work with me on this.  I'll work with 

          15             you.  Okay.  You want parent involvement.  I 

          16             stood in hallways and tell the kids, okay.  

          17             It's not the '60s anymore.  We don't wear 

          18             hats in the hallway and asked them nicely, 

          19             and sometimes I put mine on when I talk to 

          20             them and say, you take yours off, I'll take 

          21             mine off.  All right, I showed my gray hair, 

          22             now show me yours. 

          23                    Unfortunately I'm doing assignments 

          24             that an educator should be doing and I'll 

          25             submit that a later date in written 


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           2             testimony on things to where they were 

           3             suggested to basically have more student 

           4             involvement, but unfortunately, these 

           5             insensitive teachers, like cops that come 

           6             from out of the city that don't live here, 

           7             have no interest in the minds, but don't 

           8             realize that they're setting their own time 

           9             bomb off in having learned from history.

          10                    I'll close with this, it has been 

          11             proposed, and I said I do not want this 

          12             apartheid system, which is what you're 

          13             setting up.  It's apartheid, that's what it 

          14             is.  If you condone it, if you back it up, 

          15             it's apartheid.  Mayor Bloomberg wants to 

          16             say as a cost cutting thing, he'll say, 

          17             okay, take this out the textbook.  I see 

          18             textbooks already with anomalies in it.  I 

          19             have a history book that doesn't have 

          20             the  -- it has the Cuban Missile Crisis, but 

          21             is missing the bayer pigs.  What are you 

          22             trying to do?  You're not teaching them the 

          23             true facts of history.  Obviously nobody 

          24             points missiles at us for nothing.

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           2             wrap up.

           3                    MR. MCCANTS:   A man that was stood 

           4             in gear and in jail for 27 years is my 

           5             mentor for the right to vote.  Do you know 

           6             who he is?  He came to this city and the 

           7             students of one school  -- he would not -- 

           8             and I commend him for this, because leaders, 

           9             politicians, said keep the schedule, bypass 

          10             Boys and Girls High, and this man said, no, 

          11             I will not do that to these kids.  That 

          12             mentor is Nelson Mandela, and I want my 

          13             vote.  I want my input, and believe me, do 

          14             not take it away, because I'm that little 

          15             country that comes back and bites.

          16                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    Thank you very 

          17             much, Mr. McCans.

          18                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Valerie 

          19             McAllister.

          20                    MS. MCALLISTER:    I'm going to be 

          21             brief.  I'm going to be very short.  Can 

          22             everybody hear me?  I'm going to be brief 

          23             because I'm sure a lot of the things have 

          24             already been said that I talked about since 

          25             I've been here. 


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           2                    My name is Valerie McAllister, PTA, 

           3             Sheepshead Bay.  I've been involved in the 

           4             school system for 17 years through a program 

           5             that was sponsored by my district office, by 

           6             the district office, and community district 

           7             18, which was PAC, and what they did was 

           8             basically train parents in all boroughs to 

           9             be more involved in their children's 

          10             education.  And these workshops took place 

          11             all over the city, and some of these people 

          12             had went onto be school board 

          13             representative, councilmembers and so forth, 

          14             and me, I just continue to be an advocate 

          15             for children throughout different districts 

          16             that my children have went to school in.

          17                    One of the things I would like to see 

          18             done is in the local  -- this new policy, 

          19             where we have the new reform, which I hope 

          20             that 20 out of  -- in that particular local 

          21             school governance council, when they 

          22             perform, that 20 percent of those come out 

          23             of the school leadership team, one member 

          24             from each school and parent member from each 

          25             school, and maybe 40 percent of our elected 


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           2             local population and 40 percent selected out 

           3             of those selected by local councilmembers. 

           4                    This is one of the things that I 

           5             would like to see done, parents 

           6             participation in our school is very 

           7             important, and I'm hoping that Mayor 

           8             Bloomberg and Joel Klein sees an importance 

           9             of parents participation and keep us an 

          10             active member in choosing the quality of 

          11             teachers and principals that come into our 

          12             school and not take us out of the C30 

          13             process by having them select the applicants 

          14             that come into our school, because I think 

          15             these applicants should be diverse and 

          16             should know a little bit about the culture 

          17             in which the school they're going into, and 

          18             have teachers who can speak and educate our 

          19             children in English. 

          20                    We have a lot of teachers now who 

          21             coming into the school who do not know how 

          22             to speak English, and therefore, our 

          23             children are not learning the math.  They're 

          24             not learning the English.  We have a 70 

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           2             our school districts, because of this a drop 

           3             out rate of 70 percent with the math regents 

           4             across New York City, and this -- a lot of 

           5             this has to do -- a lot of teachers, they 

           6             cannot understand.  I went into one of my 

           7             son's school and a Russian parent could not 

           8             understand them.  I could not understand 

           9             them.  When I asked them a question, he gave 

          10             me a math problem and I had to tell him to 

          11             break it down into layman terms.  If I 

          12             cannot understand as a parent, I went to 

          13             school a long time ago, I do not expect my 

          14             son to learn the math easily, and that's the 

          15             problem.

          16                    We need teachers who are parent 

          17             friendly and also can speak English.  Thank 

          18             you.

          19                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Thank you very 

          20             much.  Miguel Williams.

          21                    MR. WILLIAMS:    Good evening, board.  

          22             I'm going to be short and brief.  I believe 

          23             that every action that we take has a 

          24             reaction, and I believe in unity and 

          25             communication.  Everything that's going to 


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           2             be done from this point on needs to be 

           3             communicated back to members of the school 

           4             parents, teachers, and has to be constant 

           5             communication.  Has to be really knowledge 

           6             of everything that's going on that's been 

           7             implemented day by day as much as possible, 

           8             whether it be through the media, through 

           9             newspapers.  Whatever changes that Bloomberg 

          10             and his board came about to implement, we 

          11             was not told the way we should have been 

          12             told.  And case in point, I didn't know. 

          13                    Whatever media or channel you use to 

          14             tell the majority must be implemented, it 

          15             should have reached me.  I don't care if 

          16             it's by radio, 1010 WINS, whatever.  Every 

          17             full detail, so that when we have these 

          18             forums, we could communicate back and get 

          19             something going that's going to reflect the 

          20             education of our children. 

          21                    My daughter's in PS 161, second 

          22             grade.  She went to private school in first 

          23             grade.  Currently her class, the work she's 

          24             getting right now is the same work that she 

          25             got in the first grade, and I'm trying to 


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           2             get her to be pushed to the third grade.  I 

           3             believe that any children that can be pushed 

           4             to the next grade because their level of 

           5             understanding has reached that point, they 

           6             need to be pushed on.  Push them on.  Do not 

           7             hold them back within that same school.  And 

           8             it shouldn't be no or it can't be done.  I 

           9             need to speak to the principal.  It should 

          10             be this is what the parent wants.  Let's do 

          11             the test.  The child can handle it.  Let's 

          12             do it.  It's that simple.

          13                    And I believe of the term let's keep 

          14             it simple is stupid, and I believe also in 

          15             service.  Every principal, every teacher has 

          16             to give service, professional service.  I 

          17             work for the Double Tree guest suites in 

          18             Times Square, and my job is to give service 

          19             to my guests, to make them feel at home, and 

          20             I will go out of my way to make sure that 

          21             whatever they want, whatever needs they 

          22             have, it be fulfilled.  And any parent that 

          23             has any need, needs to be fulfilled.  Every 

          24             individual parent.  Teachers have to learn, 

          25             have to be trained in every person that's in 


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           2             the service to give out service, has to be 

           3             thought that you have to be  -- to cater 

           4             their needs, first and foremost. 

           5                    That's all I want to say.  That 

           6             everything that's being done, you just got 

           7             to remember, you guys were put in a 

           8             situation to service us and you have to 

           9             service us in a professional manner.  We ask 

          10             questions, it has to be answered.  From 

          11             secretaries that are answering phones to 

          12             people that's giving that information to the 

          13             next person, you better get to that next 

          14             person.  That's why I don't even like 

          15             sending information by letter.  I like to 

          16             come to an office and sit down and talk face 

          17             to face, because I always believe that's the 

          18             way things are going to get done.  Not by 

          19             writing somebody a letter, because it takes 

          20             too long.  I believe in sitting down and 

          21             having a meeting, but of course, because we 

          22             dealing with a large community, it can't be 

          23             done always that way.  That's why every 

          24             individual has a chance to read something.  

          25             It has to be professionally done.  It has to 


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           2             be handed out to the next person, and 

           3             whoever's in charge, has to get the job 

           4             done.  Have to get the job done correctly 

           5             and right, and if they're not doing their 

           6             job, give it to someone that will.  That's 

           7             all I have to say.

           8                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    We thank you.

           9                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    We thank you 

          10             very much.  Before we close, is there anyone 

          11             who signed up for testimony who we neglected 

          12             to call no? 

          13                    MS. MCALLISTER:   Let me just say one 

          14             thing.  Information is getting to the 

          15             schools too late and getting to the parents 

          16             too late, because when it comes from the 

          17             district office, they want it to be done in 

          18             two days and it's not enough time for the 

          19             school leadership team, if you meet once a 

          20             month, for them to refer back to  -- this 

          21             information is supposed to go back to the 

          22             school leadership team to get an agreement 

          23             on and get a vote, sometimes the principal 

          24             has to ad lib for parents because of the 

          25             fact that that time limit has already 


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           2             expired, because it's two or three days 

           3             before she has to turn it in.

           4                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    Okay, thank you.

           5                    CHAIRWOMAN THOMSON:    Thank you all 

           6             for your input and your testimony and for 

           7             staying so late tonight.

           8                    CHAIRMAN SANDERS:    Let me say a few 

           9             words at the conclusion here.  The task 

          10             force on community school district 

          11             governance reform has finished its public 

          12             hearing phase of our deliberations.  We have 

          13             conducted five hearings, one in every 

          14             borough.  55 hours of public testimony, 

          15             hearing from nearly 300 people.  We 

          16             appreciate all of the residents of Brooklyn 

          17             for coming out and giving us the benefit of 

          18             their opinions, their experience, their 

          19             wisdom, as the residents of the other four 

          20             boroughs did before you. 

          21                    We will now enter another stage of 

          22             our deliberation.  We will be conducting 

          23             meetings of the task force between now and 

          24             February 15.  The law requires us to make a 

          25             report which we will do on February the 15 


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           2             to the legislature, the Governor indicating 

           3             our recommendations and our views. 

           4                    Those recommendations and views will 

           5             be heavily influenced and will have been 

           6             informed by much of the testimony that we 

           7             have heard over these 55 hours and five 

           8             hearings. 

           9                    First of all, not first of all, but 

          10             almost last of the all, a few people need to 

          11             be thanked.  These hearings, while it may 

          12             seem or maybe it doesn't seem, but they go 

          13             so smoothly, but they wouldn't go at all 

          14             were it not for the invaluable help that we 

          15             here on this panel have received from staff 

          16             people.  I just want to mention a few names 

          17             from my staff, Giovanni Warren, Ann 

          18             Magnarelli, Clare Cusak, Debbie McDonough, 

          19             my chief of staff, Stephen Kaufman, who's in 

          20             the back, and really the point person who 

          21             really put in an enormous amount of time, 

          22             effort, work, Ayo Harrington.  It wasn't 

          23             easy, but we all thank our staff very much.  

          24             Of course, all of this also would not be 

          25             possible without the magnificent, 


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           2             professional work of our various court 

           3             reporters.  Our stenographers.  We thank you 

           4             so very much. 

           5                    Most of all, we, again, the members 

           6             of this task force want to thank the 

           7             hundreds of people from around the city who 

           8             took time out of their lives, out of their 

           9             family time, out of their professional time 

          10             to be with us, to inform us.  I can tell you 

          11             that we have listened to the very best of 

          12             our ability, and now we will try to apply 

          13             our intelect, our wisdom, our judgement to 

          14             try to make the right decisions.  These 

          15             hearings are adjourned.  I thank everyone. 

          16                    (TIME NOTED:   11:01 P.M.)

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           2                     CERTIFICATION

           3       

           4                    

           5                    I, Edward Leto, a Notary Public in 

           6       and for the State of New York, do hereby certify:

           7                    THAT the witness(es) whose testimony 

           8       is herein before set forth, was duly sworn by me; 

           9       and

          10                    THAT the within transcript is a true 

          11       and accurate record of the testimony given by 

          12       said witness(es).

          13                    I further certify that I am not 

          14       related either by blood or marriage, to any of 

          15       the parties to this action; and

          16                    THAT I am in no way interested in 

          17       the outcome of this matter.

          18                    IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto 

          19       set my hand this 28th day of January, 2003.

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          23                           EDWARD LETO 

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